Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-14-2011 | 11:36 AM
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What company culture? The same company culture that furloughed over 1000 Pilots while Comair and ASA where hiring by the hundreds? The same company culture where management took millions in retention bonuses and then left anyway? The same company culture that filed BK and then terminiated our pensions but made sure management pensions were BK proof? The same company culture where management pits employee groups against each other - especially us evil and greedy Pilots.
In my opinion the culture that I believe you are talking about has not existed for about two decades at least.
I am all for helping people because it is the right thing to do - but it has nothing to do with company culture. The only company culture that I see is that we (employees) are costs to be minimized. What did one of our fearless managers (we don't really have leaders) say - "I lost sleep worrying that we did not take enough from the Pilots in BK."
I am sure that I am coming off quite bitter, but I am not - its just the way it is, and you will realize it too eventually. When I was hired I was probably the biggest Kool-aide drinking "company man" that you could imagine. Straight out of the military with foolish notions of loyalty and devotion - I would walk through the 727 picking up trash on turns - more senior pilots would just look at me and shake their heads.
I still enjoy working at Delta and espesially enjoy the great Pilot group we have but I really disagree with you regarding the culture at Delta.
Lets see how good the "culture" is in about two years when we are in section 6.
Scoop - Rant over
In my opinion the culture that I believe you are talking about has not existed for about two decades at least.
I am all for helping people because it is the right thing to do - but it has nothing to do with company culture. The only company culture that I see is that we (employees) are costs to be minimized. What did one of our fearless managers (we don't really have leaders) say - "I lost sleep worrying that we did not take enough from the Pilots in BK."
I am sure that I am coming off quite bitter, but I am not - its just the way it is, and you will realize it too eventually. When I was hired I was probably the biggest Kool-aide drinking "company man" that you could imagine. Straight out of the military with foolish notions of loyalty and devotion - I would walk through the 727 picking up trash on turns - more senior pilots would just look at me and shake their heads.
I still enjoy working at Delta and espesially enjoy the great Pilot group we have but I really disagree with you regarding the culture at Delta.
Lets see how good the "culture" is in about two years when we are in section 6.
Scoop - Rant over
Problem is that many forgot or many were not even here or on the street to remember.
I wont names any slow names.
02-14-2011 | 11:38 AM
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02-14-2011 | 11:40 AM
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For the most part I agree with you. But the culture that you seem to disdain is a little more genteel on the fDAL side, and that is my beef with this particular thread creep. Personally.. and I have come full circle with this... I prefer it stay the way it was at fDAL.
02-14-2011 | 11:41 AM
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I wasn't talking about people "unwilling" to help, I was talking about people bragging about not helping others. If people don't want to help for their own personal reasons that's their prerogative, I just think its nice when people DO offer. There are many situations where people CAN do for themselves, but a little help is still nice. Example: If we are on a tight turn and the person I am flying with CAN get their own food, but since I am going in anyway I offer to get food for both of us. Or if someone is carrying stuff and they CAN open the door ahead, but its easier if I go ahead and hold it because I'm not carrying anything, I try to do that. It's simply being nice to other people. You are right though, it should not be EXPECTED, I think its too bad that people act entitled and it makes other people not want to help anyone.
I cringe when I see anyone that fails to be courteous or helpful to other employees, or our customers. I think it's our duty as pilots to set the right tone, and I'm not saying there are never times you can't help a F/A with their bag, if it's an unusual circumstance. I just don't do that routinely, and I certainly don't do it when it's obvious that I'm being asked to compensate for someone's choice to overpack.
This is a physical game, in the sense that your body has to work, or you can't make a living. I already have problems with my back and shoulders, and lugging my own crap around is always an opportunity to hurt something. Once in a while I do, so this isn't a theoretical issue for me. So when it's a choice between chancing my family's primary source of income, and satisfying someone's expectation that I will compensate for their packing habits (and whatever they lift off the plane), my default decision is made.
The kind of people that help me make the decision are the kind of people that tell me I will lift their bag because they can't.
02-14-2011 | 11:45 AM
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You are confusing management/employee relationships with what she is talking about. There has always been a somewhat rancorous relationship there. The culture was one where the pilots stood and said goodbye to the people that paid our salaries... where we helped the occasional passenger that was having a little trouble with some nitnoid thing... .
02-14-2011 | 11:47 AM
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I will put your rant down as just that. You are confusing management/employee relationships with what she is talking about. There has always been a somewhat rancorous relationship there. The culture was one where the pilots stood and said goodbye to the people that paid our salaries... where we helped the occasional passenger that was having a little trouble with some nitnoid thing... Do the FAs HAVE to put your meal on a plate? No.. they don't.. Is it nice? Damn skippy it is. It is civilized. You don't have to help put their bags in the overhead, and like Brocc said.. they should not expect you to.. but does it really hurt you in any way to occasionally do that? Hell.. just do it for the young pretty ones if you want to... I am guessing that you are exhibiting this bit of bitterness because you were furloughed.. and your solution is to take out your frustrations on those that truly pay your salary.. or those that you work with. Is that really where this is all going? Are we really that shallow? Do you really want a work environment where we all hate each other... your philosophy starts us down that road. And the last thing is... when we are going into section 6.. it will be in your own best interest to educate the other employees as to the situation rather than enter some kind of passive/aggressive staredown.. maybe they would be a little more understanding if they were a little more understanding. It's up to you.
T - Did you even read my post or just skim over it? I guess you missed the parts where I said you should help people because its the right thing to do, and the part where I say I enjoy working with a great group of DAL Pilots.
I am confused by your vision of what corporate culture is- You say management/employee relations have always been rancorous buts thats not corporate culture?
I always go out of my way to help my fellow employees and will continue to do so - I just don't consider that as having anything to do with a mythical corporate culture - its just being a good person.
Scoop
PS - I have witnessed good corporate culture frequently - almost every time I have ever jump-seated on Southwest. Where on average, I have been treated better than by my fellow DAL employees.
02-14-2011 | 11:47 AM
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02-14-2011 | 11:49 AM
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I appreciate the females who try to handle things themselves. When I see that they can't, I help. I just wish they would understand that men are men. We are hard-wired to help them. When they don't handle their own affairs, the health of others can be jeopardized...even when they are trying to lift it themselves.
And it's not a hypothetical. It happened to a good friend and he was out for a long time.
Carl
02-14-2011 | 11:52 AM
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02-14-2011 | 11:53 AM
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T - Did you even read my post or just skim over it? I guess you missed the parts where I said you should help people because its the right thing to do, and the part where I say I enjoy working with a great group of DAL Pilots.
I am confused by your vision of what corporate culture is- You say management/employee relations have always been rancorous buts thats not corporate culture?
I always go out of my way to help my fellow employees and will continue to do so - I just don't consider that as having anything to do with a mythical corporate culture - its just being a good person.
Scoop
PS - I have witnessed good corporate culture frequently - almost every time I have ever jump-seated on Southwest. Where on average, I have been treated better than by my fellow DAL employees.
I am confused by your vision of what corporate culture is- You say management/employee relations have always been rancorous buts thats not corporate culture?
I always go out of my way to help my fellow employees and will continue to do so - I just don't consider that as having anything to do with a mythical corporate culture - its just being a good person.
Scoop
PS - I have witnessed good corporate culture frequently - almost every time I have ever jump-seated on Southwest. Where on average, I have been treated better than by my fellow DAL employees.
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