Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-30-2011 | 08:33 AM
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Delta to decide on jet by Year End
Reuters reporting Anderson's saying a decision will probably be out by year end and is possible by Thanksgiving.
If it is a split order, I expect some pumping of the mainline fleet number which will allow 3 to 1 large RJ's which Delta can use to bargain with their fee for departure providers.
How many to go before 255 is hit?
Delta will decide on plane order by year-end
NEW YORK | Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:07am EDT
(Reuters) - Delta Air Lines Inc (DAL.N) will make a decision on buying planes by the end of the year, its chief executive said on Thursday.
"We'll make a fleet decision by the end of the year on mid-body replacement," CEO Richard Anderson said, adding that the decision would likely come before the U.S. Thanksgiving holiday in late November.
He cited some weakness in the U.S. economy but said Delta's forward bookings look strong.
"We're seeing some softening in the economy ... the indicators aren't what you would like them to be," Anderson told reporters after the company's annual shareholder meeting. He said Europe's economy was where he sees the most weakness.
Delta, the No. 2 air carrier behind United Continental Holdings (UAL.N), said earlier this week it expects a "solidly profitable" second quarter as higher revenues have for the most part offset rising fuel costs.
The airline sent a request to several plane makers late last year for proposals to deliver up to 200 planes to replace aging models. Possible orders could include large, medium and small single-aisle planes to be used on U.S. routes, Delta said earlier this year.
The head of Brazilian plane maker Embraer's (EMBR3.SA) commercial aviation unit told Reuters last week at the Paris Air Show that he saw "good chances" of firm orders from Delta this year.
NEW YORK | Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:07am EDT
(Reuters) - Delta Air Lines Inc (DAL.N) will make a decision on buying planes by the end of the year, its chief executive said on Thursday.
"We'll make a fleet decision by the end of the year on mid-body replacement," CEO Richard Anderson said, adding that the decision would likely come before the U.S. Thanksgiving holiday in late November.
He cited some weakness in the U.S. economy but said Delta's forward bookings look strong.
"We're seeing some softening in the economy ... the indicators aren't what you would like them to be," Anderson told reporters after the company's annual shareholder meeting. He said Europe's economy was where he sees the most weakness.
Delta, the No. 2 air carrier behind United Continental Holdings (UAL.N), said earlier this week it expects a "solidly profitable" second quarter as higher revenues have for the most part offset rising fuel costs.
The airline sent a request to several plane makers late last year for proposals to deliver up to 200 planes to replace aging models. Possible orders could include large, medium and small single-aisle planes to be used on U.S. routes, Delta said earlier this year.
The head of Brazilian plane maker Embraer's (EMBR3.SA) commercial aviation unit told Reuters last week at the Paris Air Show that he saw "good chances" of firm orders from Delta this year.
The number of 76-seat jets may be increased above 120 by three 76-seat jets for each aircraft above the number of aircraft in the baseline fleet operated by the Company (in service, undergoing maintenance and operational spares) as of October 30, 2008. The baseline fleet number will be 440+N, in which N is the number of aircraft (in service, undergoing maintenance and operational spares but not including permitted aircraft types) added to the Company’s baseline fleet from NWA. The number and type of all aircraft in the Company’s fleet on October 30, 2008 will be provided to the Association. The number of 70-seat jets plus 76-seat jets permitted by Section 1 B. 40. may not exceed 255.
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06-30-2011 | 08:33 AM
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+1 This is what we need to be aiming for. Not just the same old contract plus a moderate payrate increase. The whole thing needs to be adjusted back towards making Delta a top tier career. It could be argued that we're not even in the top 5.
Has anyone seen Expressjet's (yes I said Expressjet) contract/workrules? I know they're not a peer
but most of the scheduling rules are FAR superior to ours. If it weren't for our payrates, it wouldn't even be close.
I hope we widen the net considerably when we decide which other carriers contracts we consider to be peers.
Has anyone seen Expressjet's (yes I said Expressjet) contract/workrules? I know they're not a peer
but most of the scheduling rules are FAR superior to ours. If it weren't for our payrates, it wouldn't even be close. I hope we widen the net considerably when we decide which other carriers contracts we consider to be peers.
06-30-2011 | 08:35 AM
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Talked to an Air Tran pilot that I know yesterday in the Atlanta airport. He seemed to know an exact date that they are being brought up to SWA pay rates. I don't remember the date, but it was in the near future.
I tend to agree with Carl on this...
I tend to agree with Carl on this...
06-30-2011 | 08:53 AM
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Your defending a $7.00 difference. Instead you should be disgusted by this number. Who would've thought an Airtran pilot would be making "almost" as much as Carl. Epic fail.
Hoser
Don't worry Carl, I got it. The W2 is what matters and Swa/Airtran, when combined, will be higher. Even a simple Canadian can figure that out. (-:
Hoser
Don't worry Carl, I got it. The W2 is what matters and Swa/Airtran, when combined, will be higher. Even a simple Canadian can figure that out. (-:
Carl
06-30-2011 | 09:00 AM
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You keep trying to manage everyone's expectations down...I'll keep on stating facts. You'll get that corner cubicle eventually.
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06-30-2011 | 09:15 AM
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I would point out that you are a RES pilot and while you have flown a lot for a RES I would but the avg ER pilot has a lower credit ratio than you. (I have no data to back that up though) My block to credit ratio is around 1.7 for the last 12 months right now so I should not complain. 
I also think that the avg NB Delta pilot flies very close to the number of actual hours that a SWA pilot does. I would guess within 5-6 hours a month or 60-72 hours per year. There is little to no credit in the domestic trips so what you fly is what you get.
I have a feeling that most would fly an extra 5-6 hours per month with an avg extra day or two "OFF" in order to make much more money.
International is a different story and skews the numbers when trying to make a good comparison.
In any event. I wholeheartedly agree that we need more soft money in the next contract. Leg-by-leg cnx pay, and 6+ hrs minimum calendar day pay for all pilots, and 75 hr min guarantee are a must for the next contract.
In fact with a 6:15 min day I could let the leg-by-leg cnx pay thing go.
I also think that the avg NB Delta pilot flies very close to the number of actual hours that a SWA pilot does. I would guess within 5-6 hours a month or 60-72 hours per year. There is little to no credit in the domestic trips so what you fly is what you get.
I have a feeling that most would fly an extra 5-6 hours per month with an avg extra day or two "OFF" in order to make much more money.
International is a different story and skews the numbers when trying to make a good comparison.
In any event. I wholeheartedly agree that we need more soft money in the next contract. Leg-by-leg cnx pay, and 6+ hrs minimum calendar day pay for all pilots, and 75 hr min guarantee are a must for the next contract.
In fact with a 6:15 min day I could let the leg-by-leg cnx pay thing go.
I'm DTW 320B, & almost every trip I fly has 1.5-4.5 hours of credit. I've seen 5 days with as many as 12 hours of credit built in. FWIW.
06-30-2011 | 09:16 AM
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I dislike the 12%, like the 10% DC bump and would like lower premiums. I see this group voting for a SWA+8-15%, with the others as part of the deal. It would equate to about a 42% increase.
Must haves are fixing 23K. They go to the bottom of the bucked, what Bucking just wrote, the 5th and 6th weeks of vacation returning, and fixing the min day to a min day not a DPA or a DPM, and adding sick time. First and foremost is a Domestic Cabatoge clause that protects us from an end round in Sky Team, a sunset of DCI agreements, and the ability of our section on not just to bound DAL coded flying by any holding company or corporation that does a metal neutral, code share, interline, etc agreement with.
Must haves are fixing 23K. They go to the bottom of the bucked, what Bucking just wrote, the 5th and 6th weeks of vacation returning, and fixing the min day to a min day not a DPA or a DPM, and adding sick time. First and foremost is a Domestic Cabatoge clause that protects us from an end round in Sky Team, a sunset of DCI agreements, and the ability of our section on not just to bound DAL coded flying by any holding company or corporation that does a metal neutral, code share, interline, etc agreement with.
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06-30-2011 | 09:20 AM
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12% is not going to cut it on the pay raise side. 10% more into the 401K would exceed the 415C limit of 49,000 per year for many if not most pilots with their 401K contribution. If the contract required the company to convert the 24% to pay once the 415C limit was reached it might entice some pilots to vote for the package. It would not get my vote.
Dalpa has not even started constructing the opener so for now its all moot anyway. They will not begin that process until after the contract survey which will be in the August time frame.
The opener from the company I suspect will stun most pilots. I would expect something on the order of a 3 percent pay raise with 3 percent each year offset by work rule concessions to cover the cost of the raise. Visible pilot reaction to managements opener will help determine the final outcome of the contract.
Dalpa has not even started constructing the opener so for now its all moot anyway. They will not begin that process until after the contract survey which will be in the August time frame.
The opener from the company I suspect will stun most pilots. I would expect something on the order of a 3 percent pay raise with 3 percent each year offset by work rule concessions to cover the cost of the raise. Visible pilot reaction to managements opener will help determine the final outcome of the contract.
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06-30-2011 | 09:28 AM
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Uh, not exactly.
According to APC pay tables:
AirTran 737 rate:$163
Delta 737 rate: $174
Delta 747 rate: $217
AirTran is being operated as a wholly owned subsidiary (Guadalupe holdings). I expect that they will eventually come under the SWA contract/pay rates, but there hasn't been a JCBA negotiated. The history of negotiating that document isn't very pretty for major/national airlines. AAA/AWA have been at it since 2005. UAL/CAL have been at it since May of 2010. The SWA/AAI integration has and will continue to sorely test the "culture" just like it has everywhere else. The threads on this board are proof of that.
According to APC pay tables:
AirTran 737 rate:$163
Delta 737 rate: $174
Delta 747 rate: $217
AirTran is being operated as a wholly owned subsidiary (Guadalupe holdings). I expect that they will eventually come under the SWA contract/pay rates, but there hasn't been a JCBA negotiated. The history of negotiating that document isn't very pretty for major/national airlines. AAA/AWA have been at it since 2005. UAL/CAL have been at it since May of 2010. The SWA/AAI integration has and will continue to sorely test the "culture" just like it has everywhere else. The threads on this board are proof of that.
Some corrections for you:
1. Guadalupe holdings doesn't exist. It existed for 1 minute during the transaction. The name is AirTran.
2. By the end of 2011 the payrate for the 717 and 737-700 will be $174.00.
3. These are 117 seat and 137 seat aircraft.
4. There will not be a JCBA. Only an amendment to the SWAPA contract for 717 rates and International pay etc.
5. By the time you enter negotiations AirTran pilots will in all likelihood be operating under the SWAPA contract. Being paid at a rate similar to your 777/747 rates.
Are you trying to manage Delta pilots expectations ?
06-30-2011 | 09:30 AM
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If correct, look at the number of pilots over 60 in ATL A and DTW A positions. Not so much of 62 and above but 60 and 61 years old. For instance, ATL 765 A, 42% are above 60 but only 3% of the category is over 62. Very similar numbers for 744 A.
Just food for thought on where movement may be generated in the next few years to come.
Now if 744 B would have retirements and the fence dropped, good ole Carl may have to put up with good ole 80 and FTB on a trip. "Gosh, it stinks in the crew rest area?"
These are great charts. I appreciate you putting in the time to work them out and post them.
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