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Old 06-29-2011 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Our NO votes are the single most important thing for us to all remember when it gets to crunch time about 18 months from now. It will be important, but extremely difficult for those who've never been through a Section 6 process before. At crunch time, our union reps will come out with scare tactics like you and your wives have never seen before. They will talk of things like "A NO vote will ruin everything", and "A NO vote will mean the end of the MEC and negotiating committee and we'll have to start over from ground zero after the new elections", and "A NO vote will show such division in our pilot group that management's next offer will be FAR WORSE than this one", etc., etc...

This will of course all be complete BS, but it WILL happen. When it does, be ready...and vote NO.

Carl
NO! NO! and NO! .... Just practicing for 18 months from now.

I concur with all the above.
Old 06-29-2011 | 01:34 PM
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Delta Air Lines Inc. (DAL) provides international and domestic passenger and cargo transportation in the U.S. and abroad. Six guru funds own $245 million, including seven funds adding a net $211 million during the quarter. This includes $155 million added by Capital Growth Management LP adding $155 million, Appaloosa adding $20 million, Balyasny Asset Management LLC adding $18 million, SAC Capital Advisors LP adding $11 million, Zweig-DiMenna Associates adding and $6 million. Thus, gurus taken as a group are bullish on DAL as it is among their largest positions in the group, and five funds added large positions in DAL while only two made insignificant minor cuts in DAL positions during the quarter. DAL trades at a forward P/E of 4-5, at the bottom of its historic P/E range. Analyst targets are in the mid- to high-teens, almost double current prices in the $9 range, and significantly below the low-teens where guru funds bought it in the last quarter. Furthermore, of the fourteen analysts covering the stock, ten rate it a buy/strong buy, two a hold, and two rate it at underperform/sell.
Old 06-29-2011 | 01:39 PM
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Check out this news article from April 2001, from the UAL/CAL thread:

Delta Reaches Tentative Deal With Pilots On a Contract - NYTimes.com

Wow....you've got more authority than you know as a pilot group.
Old 06-29-2011 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Correct, and correct.

But also remember that no matter what you put down on your survey, we'll be working under these BK/emergency rates until AT LEAST 2013...while AirTran pilots will be making more than our 744/777 Captains.

Carl
Uh, not exactly.

According to APC pay tables:

AirTran 737 rate:$163
Delta 737 rate: $174
Delta 747 rate: $217

AirTran is being operated as a wholly owned subsidiary (Guadalupe holdings). I expect that they will eventually come under the SWA contract/pay rates, but there hasn't been a JCBA negotiated. The history of negotiating that document isn't very pretty for major/national airlines. AAA/AWA have been at it since 2005. UAL/CAL have been at it since May of 2010. The SWA/AAI integration has and will continue to sorely test the "culture" just like it has everywhere else. The threads on this board are proof of that.
Old 06-29-2011 | 02:17 PM
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Wow the DTW Open Board for FO's looks like a Malarai billboard.

I think that is a preview of the ATL 330 open board.
Old 06-29-2011 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Carl
I have time, and I will not vote for something that I see as falling short.

Oh and Carl, I am already preparing. I am restarting a business I ran about a decade ago, just to make sure I have the insurance I need.
ACL: when you get that business started...you got room for say...12000 employees for a few weeks?
Old 06-29-2011 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by LandGreen2
ACL: when you get that business started...you got room for say...12000 employees for a few weeks?
I could but I might have to put everyone to work
Old 06-29-2011 | 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Carl
I have time, and I will not vote for something that I see as falling short.

Oh and Carl, I am already preparing. I am restarting a business I ran about a decade ago, just to make sure I have the insurance I need.
Outstanding. It's gopher season, so if things don't work out for you, I could always use a hand!

Carl
Old 06-29-2011 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Elvis90
Check out this news article from April 2001, from the UAL/CAL thread:

Delta Reaches Tentative Deal With Pilots On a Contract - NYTimes.com

Wow....you've got more authority than you know as a pilot group.
Interesting how that article sounds a lot like today. "We can't afford it blah, fuel prices climbing blah blah, travel demand weak blah and more blah..."

The only difference is the behavior of the NMB then as opposed to today. What a stark difference and NOBODY is talking about it.

Carl
Old 06-29-2011 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Uh, not exactly.

According to APC pay tables:

AirTran 737 rate:$163
Delta 737 rate: $174
Delta 747 rate: $217

AirTran is being operated as a wholly owned subsidiary (Guadalupe holdings). I expect that they will eventually come under the SWA contract/pay rates, but there hasn't been a JCBA negotiated. The history of negotiating that document isn't very pretty for major/national airlines. AAA/AWA have been at it since 2005. UAL/CAL have been at it since May of 2010. The SWA/AAI integration has and will continue to sorely test the "culture" just like it has everywhere else. The threads on this board are proof of that.
I didn't say AirTran pilots ARE making...I said AirTran pilots WILL be making more than our 777/744 Captains. You insinuate that AirTran pilots won't be brought up to SWA rates anytime soon...I disagree. And when they are, you can trot out your standard blather that they aren't our peers.

Carl
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