Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-04-2011 | 12:56 PM
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1260 trips is the average per pilot? Not likely since you really can't fly more then that without bumping up against FAR's. Under their system 1260 trips equates to 1090 hours. I do understand that some legs go under block and you can fly more but I simply don't think that its the average.
If we want a number to justify the biggest raises possible focusing on the SW contract would simply not be wise. A much better position to take would be revenue generation per pilot. At Delta we generate significantly more revenue per pilot then at SW. Those numbers are also easy to find.
Thems are the facts ace.
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07-04-2011 | 12:57 PM
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07-04-2011 | 12:59 PM
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07-04-2011 | 01:12 PM
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Carl, Go back and read further in their welcome package. They state there that most lines are 17 days off which means 13 or 14 days working. The other number includes vacation. Not much different then the average Delta line although we have a wider variation. Unless of course you don't trust SWAPA's word.
Quit trying to deflect the issue. We're not talking about what someone else posted. We're talking about the welcome package to ValuTran pilots. It's accurate. Totally accurate. Every Delta pilot should be ashamed to do the job we do under the conditions we do them. Including you. When will you EVER stop making excuses for Delta management and our incredibly weak union.
One other point. SWA used to run a linear system. Very easy to build excellent rotations. As they morph into a hub and spoke system I am told they have seen a degradation in rotation quality. Still the fact they operate only one aircraft type gives them the ability to build much better overall trips then a airline operating just about every aircraft ever built.
Dude, you need a vacation. I would suggest Stockholm, but it appears you're already a resident.
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07-04-2011 | 01:16 PM
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07-04-2011 | 01:23 PM
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That metric is better because there is a substantial difference between us and Southwest in that regard. Revenue also provides the means to pay pilots. I have seen the total block hour numbers between Delta and SW. If you compare the 737 we would only need a 8 to 10 percent raise in pay and status quo on everything else to be equal to SW.
10% increase in pay and status quo? Glad you only have one vote.
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07-04-2011 | 01:28 PM
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Huh, what? No, not exactly. I'm on the 73 and I have buddies hired at SWA after me, and that is complete and total BS. After their second year, I start to suck big time, even comparing the differences in work rules and rotation design. What sort of math are you using? We've crunched the numbers and its, on average, 35-40%. C'mon Sailing! You're losing whatever credibility you once had. If you represent what ALPA will be selling, I'm not buying.
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07-04-2011 | 01:41 PM
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Much has been made about the Southwest welcome packet and the numbers they post about how well they are doing. I believe SWAPA is doing a good job representing their pilot and I am not trying to bash them, but I think they might have played a little fast and loose with their numbers in their opening presentation.
For instance much has been made about a SWA Captain making $230,000 per year and working 12 days a month. Let’s examine those numbers. Their current pay (from the packet) is maxed out at $186.06 per TRIP which means their HOURLY pay rate is about $212. Divide $212 into $230,000 and you get 1085 hours or 90.5 hours per month. If they only worked 12 days that means they got paid 7.5 hours per day, yet they say their average duty day is 9 hours. In fact, that assumes that all of their Captains are at the maximum pay, if you take into account pilots that are not yet at their maximum then the numbers get worse. I am sorry but that is just not possible. My guess is that they are playing a few games here.
For instance, they say that the majority of regular lines have 17 days off per month. They say their reserves have 15/16 days off per month. Yet their entire pilot group averages 18 days off per month. That doesn’t add up. What they are doing is taking into account reserve days not worked, sick days, vacation days, and other days where you were paid but didn’t actually fly; not dishonest, but if you are going to compare then you have to compare apples to apples.
For instance Delta pilots average about 28-29 days of vacation per year that equates to about 16 days of pay. They also average around 15 days of sick time per year. If you then add in reserve days not worked, time spent awaiting OE, and many other items, you can quickly get to Delta pilots averaging 12 days or less “worked” per month. I don’t want to get into definitional games here, but remember, the SWAPA message is to convince the AirTran pilots to accept a highly unbalanced seniority integration so they are the ones playing a few games.
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07-04-2011 | 01:47 PM
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A weak opener will hurt us for many years, but it may be the price we'll have to pay to rid ourselves of this bloated self-serving bureaucracy called ALPA.
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07-04-2011 | 01:50 PM
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This is correct! I have personally seen my buddies trips. They normally have 3 day trips that pay 24 tfp that equals about 20.5 hours at Delta. Is that the norm here?
I have seen my friends W-2s, they got hired with in months of me at Delta and make $45k more than me and $30k more than my buds on the 7ER... That's fact.
Propaganda or not the union shouldn't be trying to down play it, they should be using it as a rally cry!
I have seen my friends W-2s, they got hired with in months of me at Delta and make $45k more than me and $30k more than my buds on the 7ER... That's fact.
Propaganda or not the union shouldn't be trying to down play it, they should be using it as a rally cry!
Carl
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