Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-04-2011, 08:57 AM
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07-04-2011, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
Why do I always get uncommutable short call? I can get to base by 7:30 in the morning. Is it too much to ask for a 5:30 or later short call. My last 4 have now been 5am or 3am.
07-04-2011, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
Actually, I think under normal circumstances the union and management should work together. SWA has a management that values and respects its employees. And they back that up with the way they TREAT their employees. That's the way business is supposed to work! From what I've seen, I think SWAPA's relationship with management is appropriate. DALPA's relationship with DAL management is a completely different story, IMO.
But the bottom line on the ValuTran welcome publication (as it relates to our discussion here) is this: Is it factual or not? Does the average SWA Captain make over $230k or not? Does the average SWA F/O make over $140k or not? Do they average working 12 days per month? If this data is true, then they are being paid WAY more than Delta's domestic narrowbody pilots... and working LESS days! Any attempt to minimize the importance and relevance of that to us, is just spin and an attempt to lower our expectations.
I don't think you've proven anything with your "anecdotal trip trade" example. And maybe I am shooting too low. I'd like for our MD-88/90 Captains to make more than $230,000 per year. Heck, I'd like to make $1 million per year. But we have to deal in reality. To get our MD-88/90 Captains to $230k would require about a 57% increase to our current pay rates. If you want to shoot for more than that, I'm all for it. But good luck with that with ALPA as our bargaining agent. I'll be surprised if their opening position will be even a 30% pay increase.
But the bottom line on the ValuTran welcome publication (as it relates to our discussion here) is this: Is it factual or not? Does the average SWA Captain make over $230k or not? Does the average SWA F/O make over $140k or not? Do they average working 12 days per month? If this data is true, then they are being paid WAY more than Delta's domestic narrowbody pilots... and working LESS days! Any attempt to minimize the importance and relevance of that to us, is just spin and an attempt to lower our expectations.
I don't think you've proven anything with your "anecdotal trip trade" example. And maybe I am shooting too low. I'd like for our MD-88/90 Captains to make more than $230,000 per year. Heck, I'd like to make $1 million per year. But we have to deal in reality. To get our MD-88/90 Captains to $230k would require about a 57% increase to our current pay rates. If you want to shoot for more than that, I'm all for it. But good luck with that with ALPA as our bargaining agent. I'll be surprised if their opening position will be even a 30% pay increase.
Best of luck with your negotiations.
07-04-2011, 09:18 AM
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Here's the thing, in 2014 I seriously doubt that SWA will make any less than it is now. If anything it'll be more to placate the angry SWA pilots over the AAI merger who see one group getting tremendous raises and they get nothing but a SLI with people SWA never hired.
If in 2014 our contract is settled and our rates do not equal SWA where it matters, in aircraft of similar mission and size, then we have to come to terms with the following:
1. Delta pilots are not as good as SWA pilots and don't deserve equal pay for equal work,
2. Delta management is not as good as SWA,
3. DALPA is not as good as SWAPA, or
4. All of the above.
If in 2014 our contract is settled and our rates do not equal SWA where it matters, in aircraft of similar mission and size, then we have to come to terms with the following:
1. Delta pilots are not as good as SWA pilots and don't deserve equal pay for equal work,
2. Delta management is not as good as SWA,
3. DALPA is not as good as SWAPA, or
4. All of the above.
07-04-2011, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Do you ask for PM SC? When you do you're volunteering for SC unless for some reason they deny you because you've been used too much on SC or what have you.
07-04-2011, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Smokey23
FYI, 11th yr SWA Captain here. I believe I'm pretty representative of an "average" (or more likely slightly below average) SWA pilot in terms of earnings & productivity. I commute to my base. I have small kids at home. I have a great life outside this job and very much enjoy all the days off I can get. IOW, I basically fly my line and try to improve it where I can through trip trading WITHOUT increasing total work days each month. I pick up very little (~6 extra work days total last year). My 2010 W2 showed $224,860 and I flew 761 hours....virtually all of it at straight pay. I mostly do one 3-day trip each week, or the occasional 4-day every now and then. They're usually not commutable. I shoot for an average of 100 TFP monthly throughout the year to hit our annual household income target. I have 4 weeks of vacation each year.
Best of luck with your negotiations.
Best of luck with your negotiations.
Thanks for sharing your info with us. As you can see, we have some folks in denial about this. I think posts like yours help. Thanks again.
07-04-2011, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by DLpilot
It would be nice to input a time preference without volunteering. Yet another thing to add to the wish list.
The time slots they publish on deltanet should be on icrew and I should be able to say out of the 12 slots be able to list my preferences in numerical order and a computer, not a human, should run a utilization order and post the SCs.
Also I should be allowed to know when I'm going to get SC as there is obviously a system in place but it's not published for us to see.
07-04-2011, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Smokey23
FYI, 11th yr SWA Captain here. I believe I'm pretty representative of an "average" (or more likely slightly below average) SWA pilot in terms of earnings & productivity. I commute to my base. I have small kids at home. I have a great life outside this job and very much enjoy all the days off I can get. IOW, I basically fly my line and try to improve it where I can through trip trading WITHOUT increasing total work days each month. I pick up very little (~6 extra work days total last year). My 2010 W2 showed $224,860 and I flew 761 hours....virtually all of it at straight pay. I mostly do one 3-day trip each week, or the occasional 4-day every now and then. They're usually not commutable. I shoot for an average of 100 TFP monthly throughout the year to hit our annual household income target. I have 4 weeks of vacation each year.
Best of luck with your negotiations.
Best of luck with your negotiations.
Smokey, you have a caller on line 2, his name is Carl, he want's to say thank you for proving him right. Would you like to hang around and answer more calls?
07-04-2011, 10:36 AM
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I'm telling you, if pay and scope matters as much as everyone here says it does to them then there is a lot of good that's going to come from this SWA/AAI merger. I mean, 717 pilots making more than Delta 777 pilots with 100% scope protection to boot.
And I don't care how it came to pass, I just love that it's come to pass.
And nobody, nobody, should be happier about this than DALPA, right?
And I don't care how it came to pass, I just love that it's come to pass.
And nobody, nobody, should be happier about this than DALPA, right?
07-04-2011, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
If in 2014 our contract is settled and our rates do not equal SWA where it matters, in aircraft of similar mission and size, then we have to come to terms with the following:
2. Delta management is not as good as SWA,
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2. Delta management is not as good as SWA,
.
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