Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-04-2011 | 07:45 AM
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Bill,
There are some elections this fall. LAX and MSP are then ones that come to mind. You always have the right to recall, but that would take getting away from a keyboard though.
There are some elections this fall. LAX and MSP are then ones that come to mind. You always have the right to recall, but that would take getting away from a keyboard though.
07-04-2011 | 08:01 AM
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07-04-2011 | 08:07 AM
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If the opener is weak, I will get off my duff and pay for DPA advertising. I recently talked to one of the founders in FLA, and he said recruitment is good. It will get better if the opener is passive or weak. We need to stop being a bargain for the company, and get paid what we deserve. It's now up to DALPA to live up to our expectations, not someone else's.
07-04-2011 | 08:39 AM
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We have had both types in the past. When I started we had a 5 hour DPA. In 1996 we went to a 4-6 hour Variable Minimum (VM) per duty period where the average for the trip still was 5 hours per duty period. We changed back to DPA in C2K because the resulting rotation construction (for the DAL network at that time) was deemed inferior.
I have no idea what the impact would be under our current network and rapidly adapting marketing schedules.
07-04-2011 | 08:40 AM
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If the opener is weak, I will get off my duff and pay for DPA advertising. I recently talked to one of the founders in FLA, and he said recruitment is good. It will get better if the opener is passive or weak. We need to stop being a bargain for the company, and get paid what we deserve. It's now up to DALPA to live up to our expectations, not someone else's.
07-04-2011 | 08:57 AM
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07-04-2011 | 09:00 AM
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07-04-2011 | 09:07 AM
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Actually, I think under normal circumstances the union and management should work together. SWA has a management that values and respects its employees. And they back that up with the way they TREAT their employees. That's the way business is supposed to work! From what I've seen, I think SWAPA's relationship with management is appropriate. DALPA's relationship with DAL management is a completely different story, IMO.
But the bottom line on the ValuTran welcome publication (as it relates to our discussion here) is this: Is it factual or not? Does the average SWA Captain make over $230k or not? Does the average SWA F/O make over $140k or not? Do they average working 12 days per month? If this data is true, then they are being paid WAY more than Delta's domestic narrowbody pilots... and working LESS days! Any attempt to minimize the importance and relevance of that to us, is just spin and an attempt to lower our expectations.
I don't think you've proven anything with your "anecdotal trip trade" example. And maybe I am shooting too low. I'd like for our MD-88/90 Captains to make more than $230,000 per year. Heck, I'd like to make $1 million per year. But we have to deal in reality. To get our MD-88/90 Captains to $230k would require about a 57% increase to our current pay rates. If you want to shoot for more than that, I'm all for it. But good luck with that with ALPA as our bargaining agent. I'll be surprised if their opening position will be even a 30% pay increase.
But the bottom line on the ValuTran welcome publication (as it relates to our discussion here) is this: Is it factual or not? Does the average SWA Captain make over $230k or not? Does the average SWA F/O make over $140k or not? Do they average working 12 days per month? If this data is true, then they are being paid WAY more than Delta's domestic narrowbody pilots... and working LESS days! Any attempt to minimize the importance and relevance of that to us, is just spin and an attempt to lower our expectations.
I don't think you've proven anything with your "anecdotal trip trade" example. And maybe I am shooting too low. I'd like for our MD-88/90 Captains to make more than $230,000 per year. Heck, I'd like to make $1 million per year. But we have to deal in reality. To get our MD-88/90 Captains to $230k would require about a 57% increase to our current pay rates. If you want to shoot for more than that, I'm all for it. But good luck with that with ALPA as our bargaining agent. I'll be surprised if their opening position will be even a 30% pay increase.
Best of luck with your negotiations.
07-04-2011 | 09:18 AM
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Here's the thing, in 2014 I seriously doubt that SWA will make any less than it is now. If anything it'll be more to placate the angry SWA pilots over the AAI merger who see one group getting tremendous raises and they get nothing but a SLI with people SWA never hired.
If in 2014 our contract is settled and our rates do not equal SWA where it matters, in aircraft of similar mission and size, then we have to come to terms with the following:
1. Delta pilots are not as good as SWA pilots and don't deserve equal pay for equal work,
2. Delta management is not as good as SWA,
3. DALPA is not as good as SWAPA, or
4. All of the above.
If in 2014 our contract is settled and our rates do not equal SWA where it matters, in aircraft of similar mission and size, then we have to come to terms with the following:
1. Delta pilots are not as good as SWA pilots and don't deserve equal pay for equal work,
2. Delta management is not as good as SWA,
3. DALPA is not as good as SWAPA, or
4. All of the above.
07-04-2011 | 09:50 AM
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