Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-05-2011 | 05:32 AM
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alparomeo,
I don't know if I'm an internet blowhard and I certainly don't know crap about much. But what I'm absolutely sure of is that I'm working much harder for much less money and much less time off than at any time in my 24 years at the big D.
Now I don't expect alpa to give away our negotiating secrets. However, RA & EB have mentioned at many of the investor calls this year that they don't expect any significant changes to payroll going forward. Surely alpa can state firmly and at every opportunity the exact amount of sacrifice the Delta pilots have made to keep this company alive, and further that we rightly expect very significant increases in all areas of our compensation in the near future.
Alpa has completely lost touch with the line pilot. It is for this and for too many other reasons to list, that I have sent in my DPA card.
I don't know if I'm an internet blowhard and I certainly don't know crap about much. But what I'm absolutely sure of is that I'm working much harder for much less money and much less time off than at any time in my 24 years at the big D.
Now I don't expect alpa to give away our negotiating secrets. However, RA & EB have mentioned at many of the investor calls this year that they don't expect any significant changes to payroll going forward. Surely alpa can state firmly and at every opportunity the exact amount of sacrifice the Delta pilots have made to keep this company alive, and further that we rightly expect very significant increases in all areas of our compensation in the near future.
Alpa has completely lost touch with the line pilot. It is for this and for too many other reasons to list, that I have sent in my DPA card.
07-05-2011 | 05:52 AM
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Just curious. Was there a push for an independent union when DALALPA negotiated C2K and we didn't compare our rates to those of SWA???
07-05-2011 | 06:05 AM
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long before anyone knew 737 pilots at low cost no frills no first class Southwest would be paid better than 777/747 pilots
on the line I hear a lot of "looking back now..." from guys who are still steaming about the 1996 contract and how they had these home shows in peachtree city warning about the dire consequences of not passing a contract that made millionaires out of the people warning about the dire consequences of not passing the contract.
Lots of venting. I just listen and poke for more.
07-05-2011 | 06:13 AM
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07-05-2011 | 06:20 AM
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This sorry economy can't handle $150 oil. Can't handle $110 right now. Once it hits that point supplies, unless tampered with or someone promotes a get rich unfounded scheme of peak oil, will increase and prices will fall.
07-05-2011 | 06:22 AM
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Yesterday was a complete mess trying to get to NYC, but we ended up in the New York area right about the time all the fireworks were going off. From PHL to LGA, non stop firework displays. I would estimate in the thousands! Probably the coolest thing I've seen from the air. Made a long day tolerable. Anyone else get to see the show?
07-05-2011 | 06:38 AM
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that was 11 years ago though
long before anyone knew 737 pilots at low cost no frills no first class Southwest would be paid better than 777/747 pilots
on the line I hear a lot of "looking back now..." from guys who are still steaming about the 1996 contract and how they had these home shows in peachtree city warning about the dire consequences of not passing a contract that made millionaires out of the people warning about the dire consequences of not passing the contract.
Lots of venting. I just listen and poke for more.
long before anyone knew 737 pilots at low cost no frills no first class Southwest would be paid better than 777/747 pilots
on the line I hear a lot of "looking back now..." from guys who are still steaming about the 1996 contract and how they had these home shows in peachtree city warning about the dire consequences of not passing a contract that made millionaires out of the people warning about the dire consequences of not passing the contract.
Lots of venting. I just listen and poke for more.
07-05-2011 | 06:39 AM
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I am completely neutral right now on the ALPA/DPA issue and frankly have not read or heard anything from DPA that makes me think they are going to be different other than the fact they only represent Delta pilots.
What I see on here are both sides arguing about which side sucks, not which side is better. This is an emotional topic because it greatly affects each of us that are pilots for Delta. I find it funny/sad that there are those on here lamenting about the contract opener and that it is already going to be bad when the union hasn't even put one together. The survey isn't out yet and there are those complaining about that. My guess is that if the union put it out 3 months ago, and there was a drastic change in the market/economy, these same individuals would complain that the survey was out to early and ALPA is so stupid. Let's let the committees/LEC/MEC work and put out the survey closer to the contract opener in order to get more timely info. I can guarantee that the company is loving the idea of us changing unions right before a section 6. That will in-fact ensure that there is no change in labor costs to the company for the foreseeable future (as someone complained about ALPA because the company says this).
What I see on here are both sides arguing about which side sucks, not which side is better. This is an emotional topic because it greatly affects each of us that are pilots for Delta. I find it funny/sad that there are those on here lamenting about the contract opener and that it is already going to be bad when the union hasn't even put one together. The survey isn't out yet and there are those complaining about that. My guess is that if the union put it out 3 months ago, and there was a drastic change in the market/economy, these same individuals would complain that the survey was out to early and ALPA is so stupid. Let's let the committees/LEC/MEC work and put out the survey closer to the contract opener in order to get more timely info. I can guarantee that the company is loving the idea of us changing unions right before a section 6. That will in-fact ensure that there is no change in labor costs to the company for the foreseeable future (as someone complained about ALPA because the company says this).
07-05-2011 | 07:00 AM
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You ever see the movie the Boiler Room with Vin Diesel? Predictions about where things are headed when tied to a product remind me so much of that movie and the phony companies brokers pushed on their clients so that someone could make a buck. I don't trust anyone's predictions and you shake your head at those so desperate for attention they call for $200, $300, $500 oil! Whatever will get their article linked and accumulate hits.
This sorry economy can't handle $150 oil. Can't handle $110 right now. Once it hits that point supplies, unless tampered with or someone promotes a get rich unfounded scheme of peak oil, will increase and prices will fall.
This sorry economy can't handle $150 oil. Can't handle $110 right now. Once it hits that point supplies, unless tampered with or someone promotes a get rich unfounded scheme of peak oil, will increase and prices will fall.
I agree with you. But the pure thought soured my morning.
07-05-2011 | 07:02 AM
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I am completely neutral right now on the ALPA/DPA issue and frankly have not read or heard anything from DPA that makes me think they are going to be different other than the fact they only represent Delta pilots.
What I see on here are both sides arguing about which side sucks, not which side is better. This is an emotional topic because it greatly affects each of us that are pilots for Delta. I find it funny/sad that there are those on here lamenting about the contract opener and that it is already going to be bad when the union hasn't even put one together. The survey isn't out yet and there are those complaining about that. My guess is that if the union put it out 3 months ago, and there was a drastic change in the market/economy, these same individuals would complain that the survey was out to early and ALPA is so stupid. Let's let the committees/LEC/MEC work and put out the survey closer to the contract opener in order to get more timely info. I can guarantee that the company is loving the idea of us changing unions right before a section 6. That will in-fact ensure that there is no change in labor costs to the company for the foreseeable future (as someone complained about ALPA because the company says this).
What I see on here are both sides arguing about which side sucks, not which side is better. This is an emotional topic because it greatly affects each of us that are pilots for Delta. I find it funny/sad that there are those on here lamenting about the contract opener and that it is already going to be bad when the union hasn't even put one together. The survey isn't out yet and there are those complaining about that. My guess is that if the union put it out 3 months ago, and there was a drastic change in the market/economy, these same individuals would complain that the survey was out to early and ALPA is so stupid. Let's let the committees/LEC/MEC work and put out the survey closer to the contract opener in order to get more timely info. I can guarantee that the company is loving the idea of us changing unions right before a section 6. That will in-fact ensure that there is no change in labor costs to the company for the foreseeable future (as someone complained about ALPA because the company says this).
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