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scambo1 04-21-2011 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 983662)
That's a bit of a stretch in this case isn't it? Don't get me wrong, I think that there needs to be plenty of scrutiny on this, but until they substitute a baby bus for an RJ, what grounds do we have on a grievance?

What Gus is sayin is that...no, this is absolutely not a bit of a stretch. What Gus is sayin is that this is the end game.

shiznit 04-21-2011 08:05 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 983823)
If RAH is a single transportation system then we are contracting one airline that flies everything from 37 seaters to 162 seat Airbuses to fly for us and the multi-certificate charade is over.

DAL has a longstanding relationship with American Eagle feeding small communities to DL flights out of LAX. AMR uses aircraft from 34 seat SAAB's to 300 seat 777's on multiple certificates. I am extremely unhappy with the wording of Section 1, but its going to be darn near impossible to convince the System Board of Adjustment that somehow RAH violates the clause but AMR does not.

Just one more thing for my C2012 punchlist that will have to be fixed before I vote to approve a new PWA.

newKnow 04-21-2011 08:11 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 983662)
That's a bit of a stretch in this case isn't it? Don't get me wrong, I think that there needs to be plenty of scrutiny on this, but until they substitute a baby bus for an RJ, what grounds do we have on a grievance?


When we made the contract, did we (DALPA) intend to allow Delta to outsource our flying to another company that flew A-320's?

If so, no grievance.

If not, grievance.

So far, no grievance. Enough (not) said.

80ktsClamp 04-21-2011 08:16 PM


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 983907)
DAL has a longstanding relationship with American Eagle feeding small communities to DL flights out of LAX. AMR uses aircraft from 34 seat SAAB's to 300 seat 777's on multiple certificates. I am extremely unhappy with the wording of Section 1, but its going to be darn near impossible to convince the System Board of Adjustment that somehow RAH violates the clause but AMR does not.

Just one more thing for my C2012 punchlist that will have to be fixed before I vote to approve a new PWA.


Then file a grievance against them as well.

newKnow 04-21-2011 08:22 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 983661)
What grievance should be filed?

Breach of contract, IF what's going on at RAH is not what you (DALPA) intended.

If it is, let us know.

Don't blow smoke up our ass and act like you are sending out some special double top secret investigative super undercover lawyer out to determine if there is an alternate meaning to the definition to the meaning of what an air carrier is, 3 years AFTER you signed the agreement.

The ONLY definition of air carrier that matters is the definition you (DALPA) understood it to mean when you signed the contract.

Period.

forgot to bid 04-21-2011 08:32 PM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 983910)
When we made the contract, did we (DALPA) intend to allow Delta to outsource our flying to another company that flew A-320's?

If so, no grievance.

If not, grievance.

So far, no grievance. Enough (not) said.


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 983919)
Breach of contract, IF what's going on at RAH is not what you (DALPA) intended.

If it is, let us know.

Don't blow smoke up our ass and act like you are sending out some special double top secret investigative super undercover lawyer out to determine if there is an alternate meaning to the definition to the meaning of what an air carrier is, 3 years AFTER you signed the agreement.

The ONLY definition of air carrier that matters is the definition you (DALPA) understood it to mean when you signed the contract.

Period.

Good points.

80ktsClamp 04-21-2011 09:35 PM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 983919)
Breach of contract, IF what's going on at RAH is not what you (DALPA) intended.

If it is, let us know.

Don't blow smoke up our ass and act like you are sending out some special double top secret investigative super undercover lawyer out to determine if there is an alternate meaning to the definition to the meaning of what an air carrier is, 3 years AFTER you signed the agreement.

The ONLY definition of air carrier that matters is the definition you (DALPA) understood it to mean when you signed the contract.

Period.


Very well stated.

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iaflyer 04-22-2011 05:21 AM

Well, in good news today, I found out it was Earth Day from DeltaNet.

scambo1 04-22-2011 05:39 AM


Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 983998)
Well, in good news today, I found out it was Earth Day from DeltaNet.


It's also good friday - the best news.

In the spirit of the druid holiday of earth day, starbucks has free coffee all day if you have a starbucks mug.

FlyZ 04-22-2011 06:30 AM

Is it possible to go on strike, not against the company but against your own union? Ie, we won't pay dues until this is dealt with? Why should we continue to fund an operation that is working against us? I know about DPA, but are there any other options? Recalls, a drive to flood the reps with email, etc? There have to be some creative solutions out there.


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