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Like Bar, 70 hour min guarantee is fine by me. I may be wrong but I'm sure if we touch that number then we're screwing with the total pilot count.

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1015853)

I dislike the 12%, like the 10% DC bump and would like lower premiums. I see this group voting for a SWA+8-15%, with the others as part of the deal. It would equate to about a 42% increase.

Must haves are fixing 23K. They go to the bottom of the bucked, what Bucking just wrote, the 5th and 6th weeks of vacation returning, and fixing the min day to a min day not a DPA or a DPM, and adding sick time. First and foremost is a Domestic Cabatoge clause that protects us from an end round in Sky Team, a sunset of DCI agreements, and the ability of our section on not just to bound DAL coded flying by any holding company or corporation that does a metal neutral, code share, interline, etc agreement with.

Didn't we figure out a 45% increase was back to C2K rates?

As to 23K, I'm all for that. I also have what I believe are zero cost stuff I'd like to see on reserve - an RUO for SC. I want to be able to see when I'm going to be up for SC because there sure seems to be a RUO to it, I want to be able to bid the time slots I want and I want the number of pilots on SC not to seem so at the whimsical.

The pending LOA that will count SC in RAW scores and the publishing of the SC #'s is a start in the right direction but there are just a few other things that could help make things better when it comes to SC.

Also reduce raw for a particular trip but not any and all trips would be nice to have... again?

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1015866)

Like Bar, 70 hour min guarantee is fine by me. I may be wrong but I'm sure if we touch that number then we're screwing with the total pilot count.

OK but how about adding 1 or 1.5 hours to the min guarantee for each SC? This would be in addition to getting min day credit for it.

Is 80ktsclamp being held hostage somewhere?

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Originally Posted by vprMatrix (Post 1015880)

OK but how about adding 1 or 1.5 hours to the min guarantee for each SC? This would be in addition to getting min day credit for it.

I'm all for that. It needs to count for something.

[QUOTE=Superdad;1015848]I recently flew with a MSP Captain who told me that he would go for a 12% pay increase, an additional 10% company contribution to 401k, and a significant reduction in health insurance premiums, all to add up to what he called a roughly 30% pay raise.

The only thing I would consider a roughly 30% pay raise would be if the rates in pay were actually increased by 30%.

All that "total compensation" talk is something to talk about, but I don't want to see the pay get lost in translation.

DISLIKE.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1015863)

The opener from the company I suspect will stun most pilots. I would expect something on the order of a 3 percent pay raise with 3 percent each year offset by work rule concessions to cover the cost of the raise. Visible pilot reaction to managements opener will help determine the final outcome of the contract.

If that happened we would then need to get t-shirts made that say:

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/a.../OutofSync.jpg

but please please, no rat balloon.

:D

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1015845)

I bet not a single pilot at this airline want's to make less than SWA but we're talking about an initial 25%-30+% raise to come up to parity if you believe a MD88 = SWA735/717.

So are reps pushing for a 25% to 30% plus raise at the outset?

Okay. Let's look at that for a moment.

According to SWA's welcome packet for the ValuTran pilots, the average SWA Captain makes over $230,000 per year. What would it take to increase a Delta MD-88/90 Captain's pay to $230,000?

The current 12 year MD-88 and MD-90 Captain rates average to $163.17/hour. Let's assume the flying is split 50/50 between the 88 and the 90 (that's probably a little generous). At 75 hours per month, our MD-88/90 Captain would make $146,853 for the year. At 80 hours per month, he would make $156,643.20 for the year.

To bring those numbers up to $230,000 would take the following percentage increases:

$146,853 + 57% = $230,000

$156,643.20 + 47% = $230,000

Sounds to me like we need quite a bit more than a 25-30% increase to get to "parity" with SWA.

Oh... and you mentioned C2K in another post. To get the current MD-88 Captain rate to the C2K MD-88 Captain rate, it would take a 47% increase. And that's not factoring in inflation. If you factor that in, it would take a 70% increase.

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1015846)

Modification from the floor:

70 hour guarantee is fine
Every period of short call generates same 5:15 credit as pilots flying a trip
Allow pilots to bid for as much short call as they can stand
Status Quo w/ regard to max days on (no morons working 26 days a month)
Allow reserves to white slip

The concept of having short call pay credit over long call is important IMHO. Short call requires a pilot to commute and prevents them from doing something else. It is like being at work, but not being paid. Further, some short call assignments seem to be manipulated to keep reserves above 50 and below 70 hours a month. When tying to pick up over 70 they always assign a short call that takes you out contention.

I'm all for working and getting paid for it. Those who don't want to commute for reserve could use the long call to their advantage too.

Very well stated !