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Brocc15 06-18-2011 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1010324)
Well I'm glad it works for you. I guess your category must be very well staffed? It won't always be that way, just wait. BTW, the very reason we only get paid 70 for reserve is because...some guys only work 6, 7 days. :rolleyes:

I also only work about 6 days a month on reserve. Category is overstaffed and remaining overstaffed with the next AE until the MD90s come online.

Rhino Driver 06-18-2011 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by mtbguy (Post 1010301)
Anyone flown with the new ACARS yet. I did yesterday on a roundtrip. Pay now is no longer linked to door closure or beacon on. Official out time is now tied to brake release, and on arrival, brakes being set. We doubled checked it and watched the ACARS send the "on" and "in" message as soon as the brakes were set. One engine was not even finished being shut down and door didn't open for another 4 minutes. The crew personally left the plane about 14-15 minutes later.

Pardon me if I am wrong, but aren't we still held responsible for aircraft until passengers are off, doors open and checklists complete? This is a sneaky way for management to get another .3- .5 hours of pay for free from each crew, each leg, system wide.

ALPA needs to not just "look into" this but actually do something about it.

From what I've seen...ACARS will show out with beacon on and ALL doors closed on initial brake release. You can then reset the brake and still be "out."

ACARS will show "in" when the boarding door is opened, but the time will coincide with THE LAST setting of the parking brake before the door opens. Read between the lines!;)

TheNid 06-18-2011 12:34 PM

There's also a volunteer to fly on x days down on the lower middle of the PCS page. But I think it's basically flying for free and little used.

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Originally Posted by newKnow
Ok. I have a contract question and I admit I'm too lazy to look it up.

If you bid reserve so that you are off the last week or so of the month, can you put in a yellow slip request for those days off?

If so, where are you in the pecking order of things? Behind blockholders who have whiteslip requests? Seniority order?

Finally, if so, what do you get paid? Reserve trip pay over guarantee? Regular pay over guarantee?

Thanks to anyone who answers.....
It won't be a "Yellow slip" because it's your days off, it would be a Green Slip and it would pay you the trip's value, above the 70 reserve, assuming you didn't fly over 70 yet. So if it's a 20hr. trip, you'd get 90. For assignment, you would go below line holders with white slips, and behind regular reserves and behind reserves with yellow slips (on their days on call).

nwaf16dude 06-18-2011 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by TheNid (Post 1010338)
There's also a volunteer to fly on x days down on the lower middle of the PCS page. But I think it's basically flying for free and little used.

Yep, generally useless, unless it will get you up to the ALV and the rest of the month off. I've used it successfully for that purpose a few times.

sailingfun 06-18-2011 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by mtbguy (Post 1010301)
Anyone flown with the new ACARS yet. I did yesterday on a roundtrip. Pay now is no longer linked to door closure or beacon on. Official out time is now tied to brake release, and on arrival, brakes being set. We doubled checked it and watched the ACARS send the "on" and "in" message as soon as the brakes were set. One engine was not even finished being shut down and door didn't open for another 4 minutes. The crew personally left the plane about 14-15 minutes later.

Pardon me if I am wrong, but aren't we still held responsible for aircraft until passengers are off, doors open and checklists complete? This is a sneaky way for management to get another .3- .5 hours of pay for free from each crew, each leg, system wide.

ALPA needs to not just "look into" this but actually do something about it.


Our contractual pay is from first movement of the aircraft for intent to fly until the last movement of the aircraft arriving at the gate. What would you have DALPA do? The contract survey is coming out in a few months. Make it a item you want changed. There is nothing at the moment for us to do since the company is in full compliance with the contract. Actually the parking brake change will more then likely net pilots more block time then having it tied to the beacon. In Europe if you leave the beacon on at the gate the ground crews will not approach the aircraft and they will not bring the jetway up.

TANSTAAFL 06-18-2011 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1010326)
Just heard early out tally so far is 104 with two weeks to go. Some think 200 may go, thanks to Natco closing and MSP 330 displacement bid now happening.

Also heard 450 + DTW and MSP pilots have AE, VD, and MD prefs for ATL and NYC :eek: Crap may roll down hill so far it rolls up again. Lot's of mid-to senior WB F/O's are going to use this for an opportunity to do a NB Capt. upgrade to a new base.

TANSTAAFL 06-18-2011 02:10 PM


Originally Posted by Rhino Driver (Post 1010333)
From what I've seen...ACARS will show out with beacon on and ALL doors closed on initial brake release. You can then reset the brake and still be "out."

ACARS will show "in" when the boarding door is opened, but the time will coincide with THE LAST setting of the parking brake before the door opens. Read between the lines!;)

If the brake is reset within 7 seconds of door opening at the top of the minute it will get you another minute on the in time :cool:

Nosmo King 06-18-2011 02:10 PM


Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL (Post 1010366)
Also heard 450 + DTW and MSP pilots have AE, VD, and MD prefs for ATL and NYC :eek: Crap may roll down hill so far it rolls up again. Lot's of mid-to senior WB F/O's are going to use this for an opportunity to do a NB Capt. upgrade to a new base.

That doesn't mean much. I have ATL330 on my AE MD and VD card, but its waaaaaaay below my current position and its below SEA330 and DTW744.

I cant remember if NB captain is above or below ATL330 on my card but its for sure below SEA and DTW WB FO.

TANSTAAFL 06-18-2011 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by Rhino Driver (Post 1010333)
From what I've seen...ACARS will show out with beacon on and ALL doors closed on initial brake release. You can then reset the brake and still be "out."

ACARS will show "in" when the boarding door is opened, but the time will coincide with THE LAST setting of the parking brake before the door opens. Read between the lines!;)

And our on time improves :D

newKnow 06-18-2011 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1010311)
Yes, under this new system, reserve sucks, no doubt. If you live in base, not as bad, but for a commuter, you never, never, never want to be on reserve!

I had to do for much of last year. Three words: Please. Never again.


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