At least he is consistent....:D

+2. This way the company can't pander as effectively to everyone in the company and the financial market who will be watching that we greedy pilots are willing to shut this place down in order to get $500 per hour while you make $20 per hour. It would be a huge benefit to make the same increased wages in work rules vs. payrates in my eyes. That way the fight with the public's perception wouldn't be as hard.

Yes, proof that DAL pays it's female and minority pilots less than SWA pays its male pilots for the same work. Equal pay for equal work. Are our female and minority pilots not worth equal pay? I think not. Raise it.


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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1015611)

I didn't say AirTran pilots ARE making...I said AirTran pilots WILL be making more than our 777/744 Captains. You insinuate that AirTran pilots won't be brought up to SWA rates anytime soon...I disagree. And when they are, you can trot out your standard blather that they aren't our peers.

Carl

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I'm so confused about this interaction. I read Carl's post as saying:

1) We're stuck with current rate table until at least 2013, which is true is it not?

2) By the time we get new pay rates AirTran pilots will transition to SWA pay rates, will they not?

3) AirTran pilots therefore will be making SWA pay which is higher than DAL pay for 747/777 A's, which is true if you you can believe APC numbers: So by 2013, won't we still be on our current rates while AirTran A's make more than our DAL 777/747 A's?

You're making FAR too much sense tonight. I really haven't felt my expectations managed much until the "usual suspects" came out tonight. Jesus H. is it too much for our union guys to be on board with us and want to be paid at least as much as the LCC across the ramp (HINT HINT: IT AFFECTS YOUR PAY AS WELL! GET ON BOARD!!!) :mad:

Turd Uphill
 

BTW Eck4Life, your comment really made me laugh. Well done sir! :D

Will we see SWA + 1% in 2013 and will it be on the 88, 737 or 747/777?

I say the TA presented will not best SWA pay in any narrowbody category and I'll be surprised if it bests SWA in any category and scope will at best remain the same but I think the language will need to be reviewed with a microscope, which will be hard since it's so big.


that's what she said.
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FTB;

If you keep talking like this, someone might accuse you of liking........Donuts:D

Why is this math so challenging?

IF we don't get an interim agreement before 2013, and
IF AirTran pilots are brought to SWA pay parity in the next 18 months, and
IF you are only looking at the 10-15% of 777 pilots on reserve...

This is more typical Carl math. Only in Carl land, is $210 greater than $217.

Having said all that, I agree 100% that we should be making SWA rates on our comparable airplane and we should be indexed up from there for the bigger equipment. But if you think the donut boys, who are trying to ensure we will be having a representational vote right in the middle of Section 6 negotiations, are the avenue to success, there's nothing more I can say.

Your defending a $7.00 difference. Instead you should be disgusted by this number. Who would've thought an Airtran pilot would be making "almost" as much as Carl. Epic fail.

Hoser

Don't worry Carl, I got it. The W2 is what matters and Swa/Airtran, when combined, will be higher. Even a simple Canadian can figure that out. (-:

Facts matter.

But I am equally disgusted by the number. If, or when, Carl ever states facts to make a point, I'll leave him alone.

And I AM disgusted by that number. But also disgusted that opinions are so loosely [or losely for the spelling challenged] thrown around on this board as fact.