So do facts.

Carl

Exactly. We have to bust the myth that Scope is somehow a seperate or niche issue. Scope is Pay. Scope is Retirement. Scope is Vacation. Scope is simply the jobs that everything else in the contract applies to.

Is it just me or is it just wrong that we as pilots in the second biggest airline in the world is comparing our payrates to a domestic LOW COST carrier ?

Add in the fact that some of our reps are making twice of what some of our Captains are making and then come to the conclusion that this circus does not need a complete restructure.

New representation just passed half the cards they need, with the latest greatest from our dear reps, it can only increase....

Totally agree.

Carl

Pay rates are great, but I think we should mostly be focusing on other ways to increase compensation, like bringing back significant night pay, big nums for international pay, and a huge (x4) increase in per diem. And pay from doors closed to open. Larger minimum calendar day, not duty period. These are all ways to make significantly more cash, some tax advantaged, with lower increases to hourly rates. That way the company gets to tell the financial community that we only gave x when the reality is much more.

I don't find either this statement nor your attitude about it at all laughable. It is pathetic. SWA maybe????? After we supposedly restore our contract? YGTBFKM. IF we continue with this asinine seat/equipment pay, a SWA pilot better not be making half of what a 777 pilot is making. I used to find a modicum of sympathy and agreement with some of your posts, but this is so pathetic words escape me... you must be either a management stooge or a troll from SWA, because no DAL pilot would write anything like that. Go away please.

Yessir... but I fixed part of your post. I hope you don't mind.

Yeah, i can get on board with that

Raising per diem that much would not be a smart move. There is no real tax advantage once you reach the accepted deductions for transport workers for meal expenses. The IRS is quite wise to move pay into other areas to try and avoid taxes. You will be taxed on the excess per diem. What you wont get on that money is the 13 percent DC or the ability to contribute some of it to your 401k and fill your 415C limit. Some increase in per diem to the max allowed tax free would be good. That is probably not more then 50 cents an hour more then current. The rest should be in pay.

There is a reason that Scope is Section 1 in the PWA.

Compensation is Section 3.

Been that way for awhile.