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Old 06-20-2011 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL
Carl,

The DGS guys I have worked with have all been fNWA or fDAL line pilots and the training was very good. I too would prefer line pilot instructors because of the continuity between line and school house operations and more pilot jobs. Of course the other side of the coin is if we had line pilot instructors we might not need all those standards pilots showing us how they really do it on the line

And since we don't technically have any standard operating procedure why don't they call them technique pilots?
I personally can't stand DGS instructors. I recently went through 320 initial and the best part about it was the FO instructors and lack of DGS guys. Go through MD88 initial and you'll see just how out of touch those guys are... with reality and the airplane.

With all that said they are cheap labor and not going away anytime soon.
Old 06-20-2011 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty
Seriously... I forget when do they typically post these results... is it days or weeks?
A bid this size could be posted as early as Wed/Thur, but they could wait until July 1st too. It is really up to them.
Old 06-20-2011 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
Embraer sees chances of Delta order

Monday June 20, 2011, 11:38 am EDT
By Cesar Bianconi

LE BOURGET, France (Reuters) - Brazilian planemaker Embraer sees "good chances" of firm orders from U.S. carrier Delta Air Lines, which will likely make a decision to renew its fleet by October, a top company executive told Reuters on Monday.

Embraer is competing to win orders from Delta, which will likely buy as many as 100 new regional aircraft to replace its aging fleet. The U.S. carrier could buy a total 400 planes among large, mid-sized and small jets.

"Our expectation is that Delta decides about all this in October ... they are in talks with everyone," Paulo Cesar de Souza e Silva, who heads Embraer's commercial aviation unit, said in an interview at the Paris Air Show.

Silva's comments highlight Embraer's salesforce efforts to defend its market leader position in the regional jet market, which is slowly attracting rivals from China, Russia and Japan. Embraer said earlier in the day that it won orders for 39 E-190 regional jets worth $1.7 billion at list prices at the airshow.

Customers include Air Lease Corp, Air Astana, General Electric, Sriwijaya Air and Kenya Airways, Embraer said. The planemaker predicted demand for 7,225 regional jets in the next 20 years, worth $320 billion.

The world's biggest producer of regional jets is also close to sealing a deal for the sale of six to 10 jets to Republic Airlines, Silva said. Talks with Indonesian airline Garuda could produce a firm order within the next three months, he noted.

Sales announcements are easing worries about Embraer's near-term challenges, which include a strong local currency that drives up production costs, natural disasters and geopolitical tensions around the world that could disrupt deliveries, and a sluggish global economic recovery.

Sao Paulo-traded shares of the company rose slightly on Monday, the second day of gains. Embraer's U.S.-traded stock gained 0.4 percent to $31.82.

Among companies competing for the Delta contract are behemoths Boeing and Airbus, and Canada's Bombardier -- Embraer's archrival in the regional market.

Silva voiced concerns that plans by Airbus and Boeing to ramp up output in coming years could spark a glut of aircraft in global markets.

"Both of them are expecting to deliver 1,000 jets a year. That's a lot," he said.

"If there are disruptions in orders by Malaysia, India, or any global economic problem, it could be bad for the industry as a whole," he added.

(Writing by Guillermo Parra-Bernal, editing by Dave Zimmerman)

If they get one, it will be for jets not yet built. I do not see DAL buying a jets that is last gen, but who knows.
Old 06-20-2011 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Yep....

For a pilot in the 11.7k+ range:
DTW DC9B
31 senior pilots hold an AE preference

NYC M88B
62 senior pilots hold an AE preference

MEM DC9 B
18 senior pilots hold an AE preference

Waht, Wut, What???????????????????
Being a 9 driver why would guys preference that airplane since its going away? Are they looking to get a paid move?
Thanks
Old 06-20-2011 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty
I just flew with a senior LCA that felt like he needed to inform me that he would gladly give up scope to get a 25% pay raise for his last 6 years.

And I gladly told him that he was in an extreme minority.
He is being honest. It is about them and their ability to get the maximum amount of money before they shove off. Makes sense, even if we do not like it.

That said, only 10% of this group would see it that way.
Old 06-20-2011 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Whidbey
That article didn't say anything about the jets going to regional carriers. Rather, the author (and Embraer) repeatedly refer to them as "regional" jets, to be purchased by Delta.

Isn't the E-190 / E-195 the aircraft being considered by Delta right now as a result of the RFP?

I just didn't read anything in that article that would indicate those aircraft were intended for other than mainline flying.

My thinking that the article was BS had nothing to do with the thought that they were to be purchased for regionals. DAL has always been very close hold on aircraft purchases. Having some Brazilian guy spouting off in the news about a future DAL aircraft order with no money changing hands is what makes me think it is BS.

We have a payrate for that jet in the contract. It is pretty low. But I say bring em on and we will work on raising the rate later. In fact I dont think raising that rate would be too tough since JBlu flies them at a much higher payrate than ours.
Old 06-20-2011 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty
I personally can't stand DGS instructors. I recently went through 320 initial and the best part about it was the FO instructors and lack of DGS guys. Go through MD88 initial and you'll see just how out of touch those guys are... with reality and the airplane.

With all that said they are cheap labor and not going away anytime soon.
Well the 88 has always been an "out-of-touch" kind of airplane, so it's only fitting.

You still living on the 3rd floor in the training center and cleaning your clothes in the men's room?
Old 06-20-2011 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
He is being honest. It is about them and their ability to get the maximum amount of money before they shove off. Makes sense, even if we do not like it.

That said, only 10% of this group would see it that way.
Probably true, but what does that have to do with anything. Even IF DALPA agrees and we hold the line on Scope, will DALPA defend it? That's the question.

Carl
Old 06-20-2011 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
A bid this size could be posted as early as Wed/Thur, but they could wait until July 1st too. It is really up to them.
Im guessing it will be out by tomorrow evening. The Jan AE closed at noon on the 28th and results were processed by 2100 on the 29th (per the time stamp on the published bid results) - and posted by the following morning. That has seemed to be about typical for most of the AE's over the last few years. They seem to have the results out pretty darn quick. And why not? They can always cancel awards later if they want too. But like you said, it's up to them.
Old 06-20-2011 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty
I just flew with a senior LCA that felt like he needed to inform me that he would gladly give up scope to get a 25% pay raise for his last 6 years.

And I gladly told him that he was in an extreme minority.
He's not the only one. I've heard that from at least two other A's I've flown with. Both emphasized that the destruction of the DB plan completely disassociated their futures with that of the company. They wanted to extract as much money as possible from them in the next 5-10 years and the company could liquidate after that.

ACL, hope you're right about the 10%...
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