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Old 06-22-2011, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare View Post
You and a whole bunch of DC9 FOs....
disregard the question...

I guess it is interesting that the bottom four guys on the entire seniority list are going to be NYC ER guys.
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Old 06-22-2011, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude View Post
not sure I get your point there T
I was just amazed how junior the -ER went in this bid.. it really had nothing to do with your school quandry.. sorry
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Old 06-22-2011, 09:37 AM
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Hey Guys,

I recently flew with a senior F/O and I was trying to understand why a 10+ year guy would be sweating his but off on the DC9 with me during the summer. I am sure he could hold a block on the 7ER or the Little Bus. Then I found out he was a instructor. Is instructor pay that much more than a normal line pilot? I know what the deal was at NWA, but is it still a good deal at Delta? Inquiring minds and all...

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Old 06-22-2011, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Amish Pilot View Post
Hey Guys,

I recently flew with a senior F/O and I was trying to understand why a 10+ year guy would be sweating his but off on the DC9 with me during the summer. I am sure he could hold a block on the 7ER or the Little Bus. Then I found out he was a instructor. Is instructor pay that much more than a normal line pilot? I know what the deal was at NWA, but is it still a good deal at Delta? Inquiring minds and all...

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There are a couple guys from my new hire class still flying M88B - and they dont greenslip and live in base. They can comfortably hold M88A. Different strokes - iszlisek es poffanok coulonbozuek.
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Old 06-22-2011, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Jabberwock View Post
Who's cancelled more orders, Republic or Delta?
Is this a rhetorical question?

How about how many Republic aircraft were ordered for Delta flying?

And how many MD-90s has Delta ordered? 16. How many do we have, 50 and growing? Can't remember.

How many 737-800s did we defer or sell? And whats wrong with doing that?

What are talking about here? I'm confused.
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Old 06-22-2011, 09:56 AM
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Think they were talking about the fact Airbus is up over 330 orders in the first couple of days of the Paris Ari Show as airlines all around the planet and here at home are planning narrow body fleet renewal.

One poster was dismissing Republic's order while the other poster was pointing out that the chances of Delta not taking airplanes is statistically higher than Republic's.

If I'm not mistaken, Republic has taken every airplane they've ever ordered and usually re-orders before the airplanes are all delivered. Of course houses rose in price consistently from the great depression to 2008.

In semi related news, Boeing announced more lay offs of their employees this week. Wish management would focus more on their product line and less on union busting.
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Old 06-22-2011, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by FedElta View Post
Hey Carl, FTB, *0, Bar, et al :

Many years ago during the late Southeast Asia war games, two Navy F4's launched off the boat with drop tanks. One of them got a drop tank fire. I believe it was the Airboss that broadcast " F4 off the cat, you're on fire, Eject, Eject".

Four F4 bubbas pulled the handles and left two airplanes. Navy guys feel free to correct my fuzzy memory, but once again the law of unintended consequences reared its' head. Might be applicable to this current issue that carl raised.

Regards to all....
Could've been avoided with a simple "hey, you with the bottom back end of your jet on fire, eject, eject, eject."

Oh wait.

Disregard.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar View Post
Carl,

You and I agree. The operative part of the conversation is "if you comply with our instructions and crash the airplane ... it's on you .... . If you don't comply with our instructions ... it's on you." Hence the reason Captains get paid more than First Officers and why none of us are paid for the real responsibility we accept.
"Am I here because you're there or are you there because I'm here?" Evidently a line used on the cranky RIC ground controller who I'm sure not only do pilots want to sucker punch but probably so does the guy standing next to him.

Controllers are by and large pretty sharp in the airports we fly in and out of and they have one huge advantage, they see more of our airplane than we do.

But saying your takeoff clearance is cancelled conjures up the idea that the issue at hand is a technical one and not a life threatening one and pilots may respond in kind.

Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 View Post
Airbus is spanking boeing this week. Another 180 320's. Biggest aircraft order ever!

India carrier IndiGo orders a record 180 planes from Airbus - USATODAY.com

Is delta next?
Bar mentioned that Airbus said the C-Series was dead.

With Republic, mind you a Delta Connection carrier that the NMB is jumping up and down begging someone to ask again if they're a STS, is ordering A320s for I guess Frontier:

Bombardier is confident that Republic Airways Holdings will remain a customer of its Pratt & Whitney PW1524G geared turbofan-powered CSeries, despite a decision by the Frontier Airlines parent to put a place holder deposit with Airbus for the re-engined A320neo.
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Old 06-22-2011, 10:02 AM
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I think F9 will not be part of RAH much longer. BB is realizing he made a mistake.
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Old 06-22-2011, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Jabberwock View Post
Think they were talking about the fact Airbus is up over 330 orders in the first couple of days of the Paris Ari Show as airlines all around the planet and here at home are planning narrow body fleet renewal.

One poster was dismissing Republic's order while the other poster was pointing out that the chances of Delta not taking airplanes is statistically higher than Republic's.

If I'm not mistaken, Republic has taken every airplane they've ever ordered and usually re-orders before the airplanes are all delivered. Of course houses rose in price consistently from the great depression to 2008.

In semi related news, Boeing announced more lay offs of their employees this week. Wish management would focus more on their product line and less on union busting.
Boeing is a ship without a rudder, as some CEOs say in passing.

If Airbus continues winning and Boeing continues to flounder then the disparity will only get worse. Hell, even SWA is now saying their next aircraft order doesn't have to be a Boeing. Something has gone really wrong there. Maybe it's age. Maybe Boeing after the 787 debacle and it's enormous B/E on the thing may be willing to just give up commercial aerospace after their product run their course?

As to the CHS thing, I think its union busting and sometimes union busting is over more things then just pay. I think Boeing is mad as hell at their SEA employees and the state of Washington and I don't think that's completely unfounded. You can't beat a golden goose to its death and expect it to still produce. Add that to mismanagement and yikes. Still to me it's obvious the 787 outsourcing and the CHS plant are retaliation but what the NLRB is doing on behalf of Boeing unions could be very bad for the 28 non-right-to-work states.

As to RAH, I could see the skepticism to RAH taking the aircraft ordered. To my knowledge this is the second order by RAH for RAH with the first being the C-Series. The rest have been orders to do outsourced flying and so they've yet to stand on on their own two feet and order something and fly it.
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Old 06-22-2011, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude View Post
It usually takes them a couple of weeks to come out with the projected category and training lists.

While I'm typing... I was an ER guy until the 1st of April, then became a domestic guy, now awarded back to ER. I guess I just have to do WWO and TOE again, right? Seems kinda silly to need any training at all, but I guess it could be January before I convert back.


Thanks 'dude. My first time getting an award under this system.

While I'm typing, do I need to save brain cells or kill some off. Boeing guy going to Airbus? (tic)
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