Slow - we don't know anything until you tell us. So spill the beans. We will happily consume truth, metaphors, "connecting the dots", fairy tales or complete horse crap as long as it comes with the slightest hint of legitimacy.Whew .. thanks. Now to take the wife to lunch and tell her I'm selling the house and we need to put one kid up for adoption.

Sent you a reply, did you get it?

That channel is probably on pay-per-view :eek:

I know how thin-skinned you DALPA officials are about comments like that, but if there is any difference between DALPA and DAL, it is difficult to see. History will show whether that tactic was wise or not, but there is very little difference...except one: Nobody at DAL wants to be part of DALPA.

Carl

No...I only got your first PM.

Carl

Slow,

My read on his comment is that he is talking IF, as in "if in the future."

Denny

Slow,

Where in the heck did you get any of this out of my post?!:mad: I have NEVER said anything of the sort.

Denny

Just posted an article on another thread, the point being, Japan does not have a whole lot of pilots and is sending 19 year olds off to ab initio course in the United States to get training.

If I ran the DHS. I'd be selectively revoking VISA's until the Japanese came around to seeing the value of American workers. Especially with Toyota's canning of the NUMI operation with statements like "each American worker is half a Japanese worker." Enjoy your Toyota's guys.

Heyas Carl,

I think Slow would be better off handling the coming sh!t storm regarding certain medical requirements.

There are already forces swirling around this issue which will rapidly get out of control of Slow, as seen here:

"ALL IS WELL!"

http://www.undiplomatic.net/wp-conte...picture-13.png

Nu

Nu,

Haven't heard about this..............do tell!

Denny

It's not really for public consumption.

All you have to do is read the Webboard. DALS don't think it's a big deal. DALNs do.

It's going to get ugly, and my sources tell me outside council has already been retained.

Nu

slow,

I asked in an earlier post if the union supported the company going after the JAL JV. As I recall, they did. True?

Hey Nu

You have a PM

Debbie Downer
 

This is really hard to understand. Any pilot needs only to go to his/her doctor and get a letter stating the medical reasons for not getting the shot. If any pilot doesn't want the shot, but is ordered to get it by DAL, said pilot will be a millionair if there is a bad reaction.

If anyone has any sway with DAL management, tell them they need to wise up. This situation is a loser for them any way you cut it.

Carl

Feeling a little jet lagged so this could be rambling.

My take: Economy - USG has lost control of any potential benefit they could bring to the recovery. All they have left that might work is a tax cut, but this is not in their DNA. The fed doesn't have any more tricks up their sleeves unless they want to pay people to spend money (interest rates less than zero). In reality, with the recent finding by the supreme court that Corporations are people and can contribute significantly more to campaigns, it appears to me that "globalization" is going to be the agenda of politicians on both sides of the aisle. That is not good for you and me.

JAL deal - Sit and wait for the official announcement. LM did announce he was for it, but there may be some things behind the curtain that have changed since then. I suspect the Union is scrambling a little to figure out how to deal with the new modelling for routes, who flies them and the JV structuring. DAL is now trying to date a girl who all of a sudden is playing hard to get (JAL) they dont want our money (not a ho) so they want to be in control of their destiny (hasnt worked too well for them in the past). If nothing else there might be a lesson in there for DALPA about playing a little hard to get.

My personal favorite quote of the week: "If you can't make money flying a 777 out of JFK, you don't deserve to be in the airline business."

Scambo

Heyas Carl,

I think it's probably because the DALS mentality provided much less "pushback" than the DALN side traditionally had. While DALS has some folks that don't like the current situation, the DALN side probably has a higher percentage, not to mention just about EVERYONE on the DALN side is very wary of management and managament spin from both DAL and DALPA.

To hear the management rantings of SEVERAL on this very forum, including some from suspected union officials, would be unthinkable over on the North side. That'd be a free ticket to a recall election.

We held our version of ALPA much more responsible to their actions, and bad things actually got people recalled and booted from committee positions.

Here, DALPA seems to have free reign, immune even to resolutions and "the will of the pilot group".

As for the current situation, I agree with you Carl. This is a "no win" for either side, and will probably be used as a litmus test for future issues. LM needs to understand he's not commanding a platoon of midshipmen, but a rather cantankerous set of fractious individuals who really don't care what "the mission" is, and are here for the paycheck, and not the uniform.

Nu

Depending on who was running the test it could be wacky too - I go tinto great shape and lost 20 lbs on the south beach diet...had my chol tested and the brain trust in the USAF Reserves on drill weekend said it was 400. IMPOSSIBLE.
My Flight Doc laughed.
I had a friend who flies with us have the same type of thing happen - he had his Dr run his - it was around 178, then the Reserves did it - 250+. He made them redo it - 180.

Hmmm...maybe we'll have to come up with a vaccine for that. :cool:

Carl

Yup, sure glad we got the RJ thing under control:

New City Pairs:
DTW-SMF x1 737-700
LGA-RIC x3 ERJ145
LGA-PWM x3 CR2
LGA-BGR x2 CR2
LGA-ORF x3 ERJ145
DTW-YHZ x1 CRJ900
LGA-YHZ x1 CRJ200

Increased Frequency:

MSP-ABR +1 Saab
MSP-BWI +1 DC9-30
MSP-BNA +1 CR2
MSP-CMH +1 CR2
MSP-DLH +2 CR2
MSP-DAY +1 CR2
MSP-FSD +2 CR2
MSP-LSE +1 CR2
MSP-SNA +1 A319
MSP-RAP +1 CR2
MSP-SDF +1 CR2
MSP-YUL +1 CR7
MSP-YQR +2 CR2
MSP-YEG +1 CR9
MSP-YWG +1 CR2
MSP-YXE +1 CR2
MEM-GRR +1 E145
DTW-BGR +1 CR2
DTW-BMI +2 CR2
DTW-BUF +2 CR2/CR7
DTW-CLE +2 CR2
DTW-CAK +2 CR2
DTW-ERI +1 CR2
DTW-GRB +1 CR2
DTW-JAN +1 CR2
DTW-MDT +1 CR2
DTW-OKC +1 CR9
DTW-RST +1 CR2
DTW-SBN +1 CR2
DTW-TOL +1 Saab
ATL-ONT +1 752
SLC-IDA +1 CR2
SLC-OMA +1 CR7
SLC-OKA +1 CR2
DTW-YQB +1 CR2
DTW-CRW +1 CR2
MSP-FWA +1 CR2

Its going to be interesting to watch them legally justify a mandatory injection of chemicals into the bodies of pilots who never fly into the Yellow Fever danger zone.
Its a "Brave New World" when a corporation can do that.

Agreed. "Blue Fever" seems to be pretty rampant in ATL....

Nu

I have never seen a south guy post anything near as negative as you always do. You have nothing constructive to add...ever! Everything you post is right while everyone else underwhelms....see a trend here! You sir must be a JOY to fly with, I am sure CRM doesn't exist in your world....the all knowing CARL...

I will...as soon as you can tell me how to unstick my GAS PEDAL!!! :eek::eek::eek:

Carl

Like I said read what I wrote. Partially. I will agree that for some including you, the second part of what I wrote may have fallen on deaf ears due to the anger the lack of a further explanation. I left it simple. I think you should know by know, where I stand on this issue, and why. I hate having to reexplain the whole position on every post.

I know you are a budding union official, but I must tell you that lately your statements have included some typical political leanings. Example, saying that this thread is probably done because some internet character says management might be listening. Then others here (including me) slam this guy for attempting to squelch debate. Then I slam anyone who could have even been remotely affected by a concern that management could be listening. Then you post that the thread will live forever. This all in about 1 hours' time.[/quote]

First, budding, hardly. But who cares.

I agreed with Kingbird. He has a point. My statement about the longevity of this thread had to do with where it was going. Not so much by who was watching. It was getting downright nasty and that in effect will kill all of the good debate. We have moved beyond that. There are those that want thing thread to live, and by their desire, it will. We are in effect policing ourselves'.

Carl

As for the last part. To be successful in our desires we do not need to pigeonhole the company. Here is what the PWA states for the AF JV. This is why I am not getting my panties in a wad. It is precedent setting, and IMO what will be the outline for the JV with JAL.


4. The amount of flying subject to the AF JV flown by each partner will be determined from a summer season baseline period commencing in the summer season immediately preceding the full implementation date. All growth ASMs flown above the baseline figure by the partners will be aggregated and shared between the partners on a 50/50 basis, subject to Section 1 P. 5.

Nevermind:mad:

I see you found the Jan 30th Sked load. So what routes where these jets pealed off of?

You underwhelm me. :D

Carl

Nah, the guys over at airliners.net did it for me.

They're almost creepy in their efficiency....

Nu

I think while heated, the conversation is till in the realm of hypothetical.

I'll wait for the facts from the MEC. Have they found more mimeograph paper?

Well there are plenty there that watch the marketing section of DAL net and post once it becomes public. It is simply amazing how much info is out there for us to consume. They literally post that stuff on the DALnet. You just need to know where to look for it. No I am not kidding.

Carl is a 747 Captain, right? So he is going to be living in a fenced world for five years. He's got zero incentive to develop a constructive approach, since he won't have to fly with someone that'll call him on his views. So it's not going to be too hard for him to pontificate online about people he doesn't come into contact with. And it feeds some dark and dirty desire in the others, the one who won't be able to spew this crap in person, because they won't be fenced. So they back him up, and claim he is "credible".

I'm trying the "ignore" approach. It's under Buddy/Ignore lists in the User CP. I'm going to see if internet fences work. Since 3/4 of this thread is Carl, people answering Carl, or people quoting him, it may not work.

How's that old saying go...oh, yea:

"If you're not mad, you obviously haven't been paying attention"

That lawn down in PTC doesn't mow itself, ya know...

Nu

Dunno, but even if they do, will they be facts or "facts"? Maybe the Omegas swapped out the master sheet in the trash again. Every one of our answers on the last test were wrong.

Waiting for Dean Wormer to drop the big one....

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_TkR-KeU-T2...ean+wormer.bmp

Nu

That is what the neighbors kid is for! :D

The trick is to convert "MAD" in to something you can use.

How can you ignore someone who is due to receive total consciousness on their deathbed?

Well, I've been catching up and here I am finally.

ACL...........I guess I'm not mad as much as disgusted. I'm really tired of trying to point out things that could be better only to be told we're whinning or that "I hope I never have to fly with you".

I guess it's true, "if it was a better idea, Delta (or DALPA) would have already thought of it"

Ferd <-------------big supporter of the assistant grounds keeper, so you guys can kiss my golpher
(yes, even the good humor guy has had enough)

Nevermind......

Lots of negativity on this thread lately.......feels like we are back in SLI talks again. Who whizzed in everybody's Cheerios?? :confused: :(

Actually, I expect to be displaced off the airplane this year or next. So off I'll go to a non-fenced airplane. Whatever will I do?

Yes, how will I attempt to fix this problem I have of nobody calling me on my views?...

I know, I'll just try the ignore option for everyone I disagree with. ;)

Carl