Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-06-2011 | 07:03 AM
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They trailed all the legacy's until 2004, the height of bankruptcy season. They have NEVER pushed the bar higher in any contract they ratified. They only "lead" because everybody else slid backwards. They are the ULTIMATE in proactive engagement with their management.
So what do you really want from your bargaining agent?
So what do you really want from your bargaining agent?
BTW, who's leading and setting the bar higher now?
07-06-2011 | 07:03 AM
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The other new factor since our last section 6 is the obvious desire of the National Mediation Board to have total control over every aspect of labor relations in the entire industry. It seems the new way of doing things is that labor and management don't really negotiate with each other anymore but instead both sides negotiate with the NMB until we arrive at something that is acceptable to them.
The NMB has moved way beyond their traditional "mediation" role and are now basically dictating the terms of employment in the airline business.
There may be a backlash coming however. The flight attendant situation is so outrageous (not being allowed to vote no to unionization) that the Congress might be awakened.
The NMB has moved way beyond their traditional "mediation" role and are now basically dictating the terms of employment in the airline business.
There may be a backlash coming however. The flight attendant situation is so outrageous (not being allowed to vote no to unionization) that the Congress might be awakened.
07-06-2011 | 07:09 AM
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This thread has always been a quick ref to what is going on, I hope that it is not ruined and becomes a contract ***** board for the next several years. No one is going to come to get the latest if they have to weed through fifty pages of contract crap.
07-06-2011 | 07:20 AM
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Does it really need to be about "pushing the bar higher" or "leading?" So big deal they didn't "lead the industry" or "set the bar" prior to our pay cuts. They were certainly competitive. Otherwise, they wouldn't be at almost our inflation adjusted C2K levels of compensation now. I don't really care if I'm the "highest paid." It's not a contest and I don't care about bragging rights. I just want to be paid appropriately.
BTW, who's leading and setting the bar higher now?
BTW, who's leading and setting the bar higher now?
07-06-2011 | 07:22 AM
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Do we have many guys regaling the pax with stories of their military heroics and resume? I've personally heard this a few times, and my brother-in-law just had the same experience on an -88 the other night from ATL-PNS.
Maybe I'll start doing my own version of this:
"Ladies and gentleman, you'll be relieved to know that I have accumulated many thousands of flight hours flying between such airports as SBN, AZO, MKE, etc. I have flown many light piston aircraft, hold type ratings in various Regional Jets, and am a Gold Seal CFII/MEI . . . . . . "
The only people who think pilots are cool are little kids and other pilots
No disrespect meant to our military pilots/vets. I just find the self-congratulating PA's a little nauseating.
Maybe I'll start doing my own version of this:
"Ladies and gentleman, you'll be relieved to know that I have accumulated many thousands of flight hours flying between such airports as SBN, AZO, MKE, etc. I have flown many light piston aircraft, hold type ratings in various Regional Jets, and am a Gold Seal CFII/MEI . . . . . . "
The only people who think pilots are cool are little kids and other pilots
No disrespect meant to our military pilots/vets. I just find the self-congratulating PA's a little nauseating.
07-06-2011 | 07:24 AM
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But if there is 50 pages of contract crap, that pretty much means nothing else is going on.
Rest assured, if they announce pilot hiring or a jet order or something like that, it will zoom to the top of the page.
07-06-2011 | 07:34 AM
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Bill,
You say:
Then say:
hmmmm
You say:
Don't manage our expectations. We all know what SWA has, they gave the Airtran pilots a welcome letter stating it. SWA +1 for the 737s. And then go up from there. We made $950 million last year on bag fees. Nuff said, and the DPA card is going out today. Looks like DALPA needs to be scared into listening to their constituents. That Dalpa opener had better be good.
They, SWAPA, saw the opportunity was there and took it. DALPA is our agent. I want someone who believes in me, like Jerry Maguire in that movie. "help me help you" needs to be the attitude, not "reading a balance sheet" or "understanding hedging.". I want "here is what you deserve."
hmmmm
07-06-2011 | 07:38 AM
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Does it really need to be about "pushing the bar higher" or "leading?" So big deal they didn't "lead the industry" or "set the bar" prior to our pay cuts. They were certainly competitive. Otherwise, they wouldn't be at almost our inflation adjusted C2K levels of compensation now. I don't really care if I'm the "highest paid." It's not a contest and I don't care about bragging rights. I just want to be paid appropriately.
BTW, who's leading and setting the bar higher now?
BTW, who's leading and setting the bar higher now?
07-06-2011 | 07:39 AM
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07-06-2011 | 07:46 AM
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