Gee maybe that has something to do with the fact that they've been exiled from your cockpits, and so they never learned a thing from your generation.

This is tin foil hat stuff Dude. You can't ignore 9-11 without sounding foolish. Neither airline would have been close to BK without 9-11. Thus a strategic default thesis would have required advanced knowledge of 9-11 by the CEO's of NWA and DAL.

Don't drive to the airport for your next commute Bar...I'm sending a black helicopter for you.

You know my feelings on this Bar. You are absolutely correct.

Carl

With our lower pay rates, I bet the company doesn't mind the higher DC costs. Many North guys have a frozen pension, or may have just started the DC plan. We are still a bargain, and if the Airtran guys can get Southwest wages, we should too. New fees and synergies could help with that.

Thanks for biting, but ... BS you aren't paying it. Come on FTB even you can see that money coming off of a corporate balance sheet reduces your bargaining power. Who put that money on the balance sheet anyway, the rampers?

It's not B.S.

Our salaries are not being reduced to help subsidize Frontier. The rates they pay Shuttle and CHQ would be no higher than they'd pay ASA/Skywest/Compass to do the same flying. It's just we all know where the money ends up.

But we're not paying for it because our pay tables are already set until 2013. Delta is paying. Next year we'll negotiate it all out and by then sure as hell ALPA better have put a stop to subsidizing Frontier and kicked RAH out of DCI.

I hang my head because chances are we won't. Then you have a point, we'll end up paying for it. But Carl and many if not most of us who bother to be here despise the RAH situation and to a greater extent the DCI situation and we're discussing it and have been discussing it for several months now. We're pretty much all in agreement, it's a farce. It's gaming the system. Kick em' out.

Short of that, legally RAH is not in violation of our scope clause right now. There is nothing to grieve until RAH is found to be STS and they haven't been except in a specific representation issue brought by the IBT who knew full well specificity about STS was key to their airlines well being while still achieving their goal.

We all believe RAH is STS. We just have to prove it at the NMB or cause the legal definitions to change so that holdings companies are automatically STS. Plan A imho is change the definition so any and all are automatically removed from DCI, plan B is to pursue STS for RAH and grieve it.

ALPA promised to look at it, waiting for a response. That should've been here by now, hence, the question about what's the latest and greatest about RAH?

My point is, that a dollar wasted today is one less dollar that you can bargain for tomorrow. I'm sure you see that too.

I do. I just updated my post though to be more specific about that.

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Dust storm in PHX.

You know what's good about dust? Add water. Becomes mud. You know what's good about mud?

I'm high 3 digits in seniority. And I thought really hard about it.

The only thing that stopped me is the fact that I'm 55 and if my frozen pension is terminated in a follow-on bankruptcy, I'd rather still have the option to work another 10 years to make up for no retirement.

Already have an outside business that takes a ton of my time. I'd like to stay another 3 or 4 years, then hang it up at Delta.

I would go now if I could be assured that my frozen pension wouldn't be terminated in BK.

I actually love my job and feel privileged every time I sit in the left seat of the 747. My discontent is with our current flight operations management and the resulting bottom numbers in passenger satisfaction with us. We have the tools to get better, but our managers continue to stubbornly cling to their plan...whatever that is. It's also sad to see that any increases in our next contract will likely come from Delta pilots fighting our own union as hard as management.

Carl

I'm actually not. But since you think I am, here's a tip: Aim higher.

Because I'm not CEO of Delta, and I'm not MEC chairman of DALPA.

Will your questions get any harder?

Carl