If DAL pilots get to fly Melbourne and Sydney, thats agood thing. An attaboy for the guys who hammered out the JV deal.

Good deal also for the VA 737 drivers as they will get a boost from additional into connections down under.

I just wish all 737 drivers benefiting from this program stateside were Delta pilots...

Next up VirginAtlantic feeding Alaska jets via Delta/VAt codeshare/JV

Cheers
George

 

Been out doing other stuff, so this may be old. When I was hired, back in the stone age, our scope was Delta pilots flew everything over 70 seats and there were no restrictions at all on flying 70 and under. Unlimited. During C2K we added numerical restrictions on 51-70 seat aircraft and also added mission restrictions on all aircraft 70 and under including hub to hub flying, hub overflight, and several others.

So while some have tried to paint C2K as a scope sale for pay, we actually tightened up scope tremendously over the previous language while also getting pay raises. It may not have been tightened as much as some would like, but to characterize it as a trade of scope for pay is just wrong.

Similarly, we reduced scope limits in the JCBA during our merger. We all received increases in pay rates and in retirement contributions and at the same time we tightened the scope restrictions where the final JCBA was tighter than the sum of the two parts from our original contracts.

I don't see how this issue with a negotiating committee gets spun into a discussion about some people wanting to ruin scope. This seems to me just a smear campaign. We don't like how democracy is working, so let's create some personal attacks. If you look at the last Council 20 update, it talks about how the agenda of the Negotiating Committee is set by the MEC and not by the committee members. This is the accurate description. The makeup of the committee does not set direction, they merely are the people who execute the direction.

The policy manual was set to give the MEC guidance on how to conduct their business. It is both proper and to the letter of the guidance that they review their team leading up to the negotiations. Maybe the review will show that they have the right team and they will waive the election. Maybe the review will show that they want to make a change. I don't know, I haven't spoken with my reps and I have no idea what the reps feelings are. In a democracy, you elect a rep, you give your input to your reps, along with thousands of other pilots, and then they set that direction. Sometimes you win elections and sometimes you lose. How you handling losing shows more about a person than how you handle winning. If your opinion doesn't carry the day, do you try to blow up the system or do you support the system even though it didn't go your way.

Teamwork means something. You can't be a Terrell Owens "team" player. He supports the team as long as they throw the ball to him, as long as he gets to make the touchdown catch, and as long as he is the famous star. Somebody else makes a touchdown, now it's time to pout and throw a fit.

There was a merger committee election. Some didn't like the outcome and used their democratic tools to try to change it. Was that a conspiracy, was that underhanded, was that a steam roller? No, they exercised their rights. There may or may not be a negotiating committee election, I have absolutely no idea. I don't care. The MEC has their democratic rights to pick the people who work for them and there is nothing wrong with them exercising their rights. Whomever, the MEC picks, I will support their efforts to get us more money, more scope, more of everything. That is being part of a team.

I have supported the current negotiators in their efforts and will support the future team whether it changes or not. That is what real teamwork is about.

 

Oh man, so sorry to hear! Glad they heard the garage door open and took off vs you walking in on them.

Forget everything juice is on me in NRT! I agree with Slow, nothing like what you're going through, but I had a laptop stolen going through security once and that sick to your stomach feeling does go away in time....

 

There seems to be some disarray in our team.
I thought that was the major reason people gave for opposing the DPA right now. We didn't want to have change and disarray so close to section 6 talks. But now were going to change negotiators and that's OK?

I agree that changing these committee members should normally be a routine matter and no big deal, but this seems different. This looks like some sort of "showdown" over direction and philosophy. Is that the case?
Would any insiders care to explain for us rank and file types what is really going on here?

Is this about scope? Do we have a hardline faction vs. a more "flexible" group on the MEC?
Maybe the line pilots would like to provide some input if this is a major turning point in our approach to the future.

 

Thanks Slow. No, we've never been a burglary victim before but we have experience theft before. It ended up being kind of a funny story except for the theft. A "friend" of our older sons stayed with us for a few days and then he disappeared early one morning with about 2500 dollars worth of video game consoles, video games, and DVD's. About a month later another real friend of my son saw him walking around and beat the crap out of him!!

We will definitely talk about it and come up with a plan. Fortunately I have vacation the next couple of weeks.

Yeah the real Denny Crane would have but I only play him online! I do have my conceal/carry permit. Maybe I'll actually start using it!!

Thanks again.

Denny

 

In Bellevue on the eastside of Lake Washington in the Seattle area.

Denny

 

Hi Tsquare,
I (think I) agree with you. I'm cynically optimistic with our current union. But I swear, If the reps come to us, the membership, with anything less than an opener of approximately a 50% raise, PLUS improvements in scope, I'm sending in my card to DPA, and getting vocal WRT supporting same. If the negotiating strategy is 15-25% payraise, that is merely a continuance of a bankruptcy contract. Our union had better get this right, the first time. By all accounts, anybody on this property >15 years (12 year payscale), captain or Jr wide-body copilot, has given the company approximately 300K in wages over the last 6 years. Enough of bankruptcy wages & contracts.

 

4 of those? Are you talking little white fluff balls or REAL dogs? When it comes to theft deterence, there is a difference you know.

 

How did scope get introduced into a question about electing a negotiating committee? Seems like some are looking to sow drama where there is none.

Your questions were already answered on the DALPA forum, and I believe you've logged on since it was posted. No and No.

Line pilots should always provide input to their elected reps. That's how the system works....12,000 + inputs into a collective decision made by the elected representatives. Then the pilot group gets to vote.

 

Thanks Ferd. I'm kind of thinking it might have been one or two teenage girls with a crowbar. Both the cop and I were wondering why the didn't just break the glass in the door (it's got an almost full length glass panel in it). It had to take them awhile to get in judging by the damage to the door. Then it seems like they made a beeline for my wifes stuff and bypassed much more lucrative booty! Some of her dresser drawers were open along with a drawer on her nightstand and makeup table. The only things we can find missing I have mentioned before. Heck, this netbook I'm typing from was sitting on the kitchen counter!!!

It seems to me this breakin was VERY unorganized which leads me to believe it was a couple of kids. I'm just shocked at the stuff they didn't take that was laying around. They are going to be very disappointed with the value if they try to fence anything!!

One of these days I'll get over to NRT when you are there!

Denny