Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-09-2011, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL73n
Who are we kidding about upward mobility at Delta?
I have 10 years at Delta with 11 to go and I truly doubt I will sit in the left seat before I retire (I Don't consider NYC M88A a viable reason to move to the left seat just to say I sat there). I expect to be a career F/O without even a decent chance at Widebody F/O with decent seniority.
Just my 2 cents.
I have 10 years at Delta with 11 to go and I truly doubt I will sit in the left seat before I retire (I Don't consider NYC M88A a viable reason to move to the left seat just to say I sat there). I expect to be a career F/O without even a decent chance at Widebody F/O with decent seniority.
Just my 2 cents.
07-09-2011, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
You're young like me, hockey... we're going to have a very long time being very senior.
07-09-2011, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
I just looked at the seniority calculator. It's depressing. In 5 years. I'll be about 11,100 (after 9 years at company). I'm looking at about a 17-18 year upgrade. My captain seems older so I asked him when he's going to retire. He said "about 2 years." I just looked up his name. He's 63. At least he's honest.
Time is on your side.
After 13 years, I'm not even in the 8000's, and I was hired "young" at 29.
I don't even hit the 50th percentile until well into my 50s. And that's assuming BEST case...no more shrinkage, and some guys go at 63 vs 65.
If you got hired at 25, a 18 year upgrade is 43, which is still pretty darn good.
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07-09-2011, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
I hope you're right. I'm not getting any younger. I'm not even in my 20's any more.
07-09-2011, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
Is the -9 the worst of the seats? If anyone can compare the -88 to the -9 that would help me with some decision-making, too.
I went from the 9 to the 88. The seat is slightly, but only slightly, better. It's a little more adjustable in different places and has a lumbar support instead of that ever inflating infernal airbag. But...the seat still hurts in all the same places, only less.
07-09-2011, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
What if they did and one pilot group wanted to "deal an ace" to management to undercut other groups. What is the penalty? Thrown out of ALPA? OK, but they still get all the work. It would have to be enforceable.
Additionally, even if it were enforceable, ALPA would have to have significant other minimum standards. What good is a high pay rate if you have zero rigs, zero min days off, no monthly guarantee, no block or better, no retirement contribution, fly to the FAR's only, no work rules and no vacation, no per diem and no hotels on the overnights?
You would need a minimum contract standard and every single item would need to be fairly strong. You would also need it to be enforceable enough that the occasional carrier may have to liquidate ratner than go one penny below it. That is the challenge.
Additionally, even if it were enforceable, ALPA would have to have significant other minimum standards. What good is a high pay rate if you have zero rigs, zero min days off, no monthly guarantee, no block or better, no retirement contribution, fly to the FAR's only, no work rules and no vacation, no per diem and no hotels on the overnights?
You would need a minimum contract standard and every single item would need to be fairly strong. You would also need it to be enforceable enough that the occasional carrier may have to liquidate ratner than go one penny below it. That is the challenge.
The last part about one pay for all is actually kind of funny. I have worked a lot of jobs and industries. Every single one rewards a employee with higher pay based on length of service. In fact every one set pay based on three criteria. Length of service, revenue generation and responsibility. Taking us out of the type of system would be a big mistake.
The only reason pilots make what they do today is the constant increase in size of the average aircraft in the fleets. Thats going to continue. Its happening at Delta as we speak. Each nine retired and replaced with a MD90 is a pay raise for someone. Limited runways are going to drive airlines to ever larger fleets regardless of the posts on here. Give up those raises and you have to fight even harder for baseline raises.
07-09-2011, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by FmrFreightDog
New,
I went from the 9 to the 88. The seat is slightly, but only slightly, better. It's a little more adjustable in different places and has a lumbar support instead of that ever inflating infernal airbag. But...the seat still hurts in all the same places, only less.
I went from the 9 to the 88. The seat is slightly, but only slightly, better. It's a little more adjustable in different places and has a lumbar support instead of that ever inflating infernal airbag. But...the seat still hurts in all the same places, only less.
07-09-2011, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by FmrFreightDog
New,
I went from the 9 to the 88. The seat is slightly, but only slightly, better. It's a little more adjustable in different places and has a lumbar support instead of that ever inflating infernal airbag. But...the seat still hurts in all the same places, only less.
I went from the 9 to the 88. The seat is slightly, but only slightly, better. It's a little more adjustable in different places and has a lumbar support instead of that ever inflating infernal airbag. But...the seat still hurts in all the same places, only less.
07-09-2011, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by poostain
He and 13 other reps thinks the timing is bad, especially because dalpa asked for early openers.
Originally Posted by NuGuy
Speaking of Poo....I was not aware that the company has asked for early openers. Interesting...cue Bar for his interpretation.
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Originally Posted by slowplay
I wasn't aware of that either.
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07-09-2011, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Yes, but the issue is pilots receive this after using the UTCP only ONE time. This letter comes of as a disciplinary letter with an almost scolding tone. It's has a 'We will let it slide this time, but don't let it happen again' feel to it. Bottom line, that's not something that makes people feel comfortable using it.
The original intent of this program was for it to be mutually beneficial, and if the company comes across with this attitude the 1st time you use it, it is likely that guys will not use it in fear of reprimand. It's silly you receive this letter after you've used it ONCE. I can understand if there is a pattern of abuse by a particular individual, but this letter is over the top IMO.
It may not be the companies intent to come off the way they do, but I think many will perceive it as a threat.
The original intent of this program was for it to be mutually beneficial, and if the company comes across with this attitude the 1st time you use it, it is likely that guys will not use it in fear of reprimand. It's silly you receive this letter after you've used it ONCE. I can understand if there is a pattern of abuse by a particular individual, but this letter is over the top IMO.
It may not be the companies intent to come off the way they do, but I think many will perceive it as a threat.
Don't get me wrong, I am not defending the "discipline" letters, I think they are shortsighted. I would prefer a greatly expanded commuter policy than this one - essentially positive space to work.
Commuting sucks, I've done it for several years, it sucks. I dont even like flying in the back of a plane.
My only point is, in the original JG letter, there was the "discuss it with the CP" and the policy may have to be revisited if it doesnt work (which I took as meaning done away with.) That is standard policy writing 101.
Now the bigger and more shortsighted aspect of it is: You manage people the way you feel they (and you) should be managed. The disciplin-ish letter says a lot about that particular CP's sentiment toward line pilots and also about his sentiment toward himself.
If he feels that he must document every interaction with a pilot in order to have a chain of paper work in the event that said pilot would be eventually terminated, he needs to be terminated from being a CP. If his directions come from a managerial leadership its out of his hands, if not, it is him.
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