Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
Who was it that said in so many words that RJ outsourcing is good for Delta pilots? Was it really LM or someone else?
One simple question - where does it stop? Couldn't RAH fly MD88s cheaper than we could? Could they fly A320s cheaper than we could? 737s cheaper than we could?
I'm sure a few feeble minded individuals would think they couldn't do it because those are bigger jets and harder to fly. That's idiotic and a nonstarter. They could do it in a month. Just like us. And I mean in both seats. A plane is a plane and if anyone has flown a turboprop then they've flown airplanes more difficult than any of our mainline fleet.
So why if outsourcing is good for Delta pilots do we draw the line at 76 seats and below is okay to outsource?
Why do we not outsource MD-88s?
One simple question - where does it stop? Couldn't RAH fly MD88s cheaper than we could? Could they fly A320s cheaper than we could? 737s cheaper than we could?
I'm sure a few feeble minded individuals would think they couldn't do it because those are bigger jets and harder to fly. That's idiotic and a nonstarter. They could do it in a month. Just like us. And I mean in both seats. A plane is a plane and if anyone has flown a turboprop then they've flown airplanes more difficult than any of our mainline fleet.
So why if outsourcing is good for Delta pilots do we draw the line at 76 seats and below is okay to outsource?
Why do we not outsource MD-88s?
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Position: 320B
Posts: 781
That's what she said? But srsly, we need a significant overhaul of our sick and vacation systems. Vacation flat out sucks hard and pays next to nothing. I don't think we need a lawyer-ball touch drop system, but we need at least 10-15 hours per week more credit. That alone would fix most of the vacation shortcomings. For sick, we need to change the use it or lose it part, as both the company and pilot group loses out for multipile reasons. All except those who are both extremely and abnormally healthy, consistently over time, and extremely honest. They lose out the most and that isn't right.
For now, I would have to question your decision to pass on SWA. As you rightly point out, they have a management that really knows how to manage. Extremely important consideration! And you MIGHT make Captain faster here. But in the meantime, the average SWA First Officer is making more than I did last year as a Delta Captain and WAY more than the average Delta First Officer! Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it was a bad decision for sure. When you reach age 65, you'll have your answer.
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Position: 320B
Posts: 781
Honestly. It is and was. I saw AAI for what it is, and I saw significant stagnation at LUV. Charting my career progression I actually fair better here than LUV. As for AAI, well I would have had to work for AAI before it merged with Value Jet, and that was not something I wanted to do. It would have led to better money, and LUV, but who really knows.
I thought you were one of these young whipper snappers. Were you qualified to fly for Value Jet before they merged?
Not as young as some on here but I am still South of 40.
You don't know that for a fact. Again, you are relying on your "crystal ball" for that. One thing I can tell you from having been in this industry for a long time... you can never predict with certainty what will happen. All you can do is make the best decision you can with the information you have at the time. Sounds like you've done that. Good luck!
For now, I would have to question your decision to pass on SWA. As you rightly point out, they have a management that really knows how to manage. Extremely important consideration! And you MIGHT make Captain faster here. But in the meantime, the average SWA First Officer is making more than I did last year as a Delta Captain and WAY more than the average Delta First Officer! Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it was a bad decision for sure. When you reach age 65, you'll have your answer.
For now, I would have to question your decision to pass on SWA. As you rightly point out, they have a management that really knows how to manage. Extremely important consideration! And you MIGHT make Captain faster here. But in the meantime, the average SWA First Officer is making more than I did last year as a Delta Captain and WAY more than the average Delta First Officer! Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it was a bad decision for sure. When you reach age 65, you'll have your answer.
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2009
Position: B744 F/O
Posts: 141
You don't know that for a fact. Again, you are relying on your "crystal ball" for that. One thing I can tell you from having been in this industry for a long time... you can never predict with certainty what will happen. All you can do is make the best decision you can with the information you have at the time. Sounds like you've done that. Good luck!
For now, I would have to question your decision to pass on SWA. As you rightly point out, they have a management that really knows how to manage. Extremely important consideration! And you MIGHT make Captain faster here. But in the meantime, the average SWA First Officer is making more than I did last year as a Delta Captain and WAY more than the average Delta First Officer! Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it was a bad decision for sure. When you reach age 65, you'll have your answer.
For now, I would have to question your decision to pass on SWA. As you rightly point out, they have a management that really knows how to manage. Extremely important consideration! And you MIGHT make Captain faster here. But in the meantime, the average SWA First Officer is making more than I did last year as a Delta Captain and WAY more than the average Delta First Officer! Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it was a bad decision for sure. When you reach age 65, you'll have your answer.
Of course it might be 70 by then.
Bored today, so I was curious how the reserve guarantee at Delta compared to various carriers.
From APC:
AirTran - Long call = 75 / Reserve = 78
Alaska - Long call = 75 / Short call = 79
American - 73
Continental - Long call = 72 / Short call = 76
Delta - 70
Hawaiian - 75
JetBlue - 75
Southwest - 79
United - 70
US Airways - Long call = 72 / Short call = 76
Anyone at any seniority could be on reserve (by choice or not) so while reserve probably only affect 20-25% of our pilot group, as a whole, it could come into play for any seniority number on the list. Looks to me like we are at the bottom in terms of guaranteed reserve compensation.
I have been on reserve 29 bid periods. 20 of those bid periods, I have failed to break the reserve guarantee (as adjusted for training and vacation compensation). I would wager that those numbers are probably similar for the rest of the pilot group. I'd say the floor of the reserve guarantee is too low for the 18 days a month that we are responsible for being on call. For the next contract, I hope that we can up the guarantee or reduce the number of on call days that we have.
Just food for thought.
From APC:
AirTran - Long call = 75 / Reserve = 78
Alaska - Long call = 75 / Short call = 79
American - 73
Continental - Long call = 72 / Short call = 76
Delta - 70
Hawaiian - 75
JetBlue - 75
Southwest - 79
United - 70
US Airways - Long call = 72 / Short call = 76
Anyone at any seniority could be on reserve (by choice or not) so while reserve probably only affect 20-25% of our pilot group, as a whole, it could come into play for any seniority number on the list. Looks to me like we are at the bottom in terms of guaranteed reserve compensation.
I have been on reserve 29 bid periods. 20 of those bid periods, I have failed to break the reserve guarantee (as adjusted for training and vacation compensation). I would wager that those numbers are probably similar for the rest of the pilot group. I'd say the floor of the reserve guarantee is too low for the 18 days a month that we are responsible for being on call. For the next contract, I hope that we can up the guarantee or reduce the number of on call days that we have.
Just food for thought.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post