Originally Posted by JABDIP

I am tired of this BS about a fractured pilot group. Really, come on guys get a grip. First of all, I have sent in my DPA card and want ALPA off the property as I have been unhappy with ALPA for years way before the merger. However, until it is replaced, I am a unified pilot supporting our pilot group in our efforts to better our contract. What ever group that represents us, I will support as I believe 95% of our pilot group will. I feel that DPA will serve our pilot group much better than ALPA. I feel that our dues money will go for what best serves Delta pilots. Right now I feel that my dues money goes to serve an organization that supports DCI companies that are taking mainline flying. How does ALPA represent us and them at the same time. I have also witness first hand how reps get involved to support their pilots only to become a servant to the all mighty ALPA, sad but true. So, for all those that keep screaming about a split pilot group, I say you are the ones trying to perpetuate that line of thinking. I will not consider myself as a split pilot, I only want what I believe is best for the pilot group as a whole. My last 25 years under ALPA has been very disappointing in many ways. The time has come for a new direction!

Originally Posted by Scoop

Guys I have some bad news for us all. If it is true that a LEC Chairman is going around saying that 10% is too much then we are all screwed.

Unless of course he is just eccentric. For example he would be satisfied with a 10% raise but wants 25% matching. Or he wants a 7 hour minimum duty day pay rig.

Ahhh ****, we are screwed. How the hell did this guy get elected?

Scoop

Originally Posted by exeagle

He's not eccentric, but he may or may not aspire to be a chief pilot.

Originally Posted by exeagle

He's not eccentric, but he may or may not aspire to be a chief pilot.

Originally Posted by Carl Spakler

A friend of mine was flying with a LAX Captain the other day.
This Captain is well known in the NYC base for his desires to get into the Chief Pilot Office.
He was famous for hanging around the office on his days off, answering phones...for free.
So now this Captain is in LAX, what's he up to?
---wait for it---
Oh, yeah, DPA!
Before the rotation, he went to the briefing room and used the company color printer, printed 300 copies of their little tri-fold list of lies.
Then he goes on to stuff every mail box.
Isn't this the oldest brown-nose move in the book?
Wanna get in good favor with management? Want a cushy office job?
Help destroy the union as you enter contract negotiations!

My buddy wouldn't say anything to get anyone else in trouble (ALPA Code of Ethics says you won't do anything to harm the career of another pilot). But word around the base is the IT people called in asking why someone wanted 300 copies of anything. I guess they've had people use company equipment as their own personal Kinko's in the past.

Someone in IT is reportedly searching to see who had logged into that computer and a phone call should be going out soon.

Originally Posted by Check Essential

+1
I don't think the "fracture" is nearly as serious as some would portray it. I hope the ALPA guys don't begin to rely on the threat from the DPA as another excuse to manage our expectations downward. It does seem to be a "talking point" lately.

Originally Posted by trlaketige

Nice try carl. Tell your friend to man up. When something is wrong, it's wrong. Even if it's a fellow union member.

Jim

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

If 50%+1 are for a better contract in 2012 with higher pay and stronger scope then we're not fractured even if some want to hire a different agent to get it done. The mission is not fractured.

The question is, if you want SWA scope (as in no DCI or AS) and pay at MD88 levels, which camp to you go to right now?

ALPA or DPA?

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

You are completely wrong. Combined operations is the final point that makes our SLI unchangeable. Still looking for you to post any legal precedent or any legal mechanism that would allow ANY UNION to change the DAL/NWA seniority list integration. Call ALPA legal - maybe they can help you look.
Carl