Rather B Fishin

Really???? You would rather have an anti-pilot, hostile, micro-managing "manager" instead????


Do people on here ever use logic and reason instead of ego and emotion? At the end of the day when T.O walks into S.D's office what is the best outcome for the DAL pilot? A hostile, fist pounding attitude where neither side gets anything accomplished or one of mutual respect and professionalism where things can actually get accomplished?

In our merger how many contractual violations did DAL incur? How many grievances do we currently have before a system board?

Do we have a LONG, LONG way to go in terms of restoring this profession? Absolutely. On the other hand, tell me what single pilot group has made the gains we have since 9/11? SWA is the the poster child BY DEFAULT. Have they ever negotiated an industry leading contract or gained contractual improvements OUTSIDE of section 6 negotiations?

tsquare

Semantics



No, it's what you read into things that don't toe YOUR propaganda line.



And it is ridiculous. Heiko will be here for a long time. I am not sure about the other guys, but good grief Carl.


Fact finding? Corruption? Really Carl?

Talk about spring loaded..

tsquare

I think what it comes down to is that there are many that want to give management a bloody nose like they gave us, and they see the mutually beneficial road as an impediment to that. I understand that, I really do, but the thing that they fail to realize is that the cards are stacked against us, and they refuse to acknowledge that "fact". We can go in with an obstinate attitude, and we are gonna get our asses handed to us. THAT is a fact, because the one and only weapon will never be allowed to be used, and anyone that thinks otherwise is naive. That is the last thing I will say on this thread about this.. promise

Thrust Normal

I've never figured out this sentiment. I would much rather have them working full time on our behalf. Rather than flying a full schedule so I can feel emotionally better. As far as the LEC I usually do see them out flying.

Milehighrabbi

It was written by Ann McCarthy.

Richard H. Anderson 1956? Biography - Early years as legal counsel

tsquare

Do you want one of those "cushy jobs"? Just curious. I have only done a little cursory ALPA work.. (Family Awareness neighborhood coordinator for those that remember that), and even THAT was not what I would consider "cushy". Statements like yours exhibit a clear lack of clue about the amount of work that those folks do. I do not refer to those in the head shed as "volunteers" because they are getting paid via trip drops and such, but I am sure that if you convert their time to an hourly rate, you would be amazed at how little they are really paid compared to the rest of us. Cushy jobs... that's rich.

sinca3

That last sentence has been bothering me, because it is so smeared across every news article out there today! I sure hope the AA pilots can hold strong and see that although other airlines have been through chapter 11 and shred the contracts, the real savings was on debt restructuring. The labor saving were just a little "desert" for management.
Also with 4.1B in cash and no DIP needed doesn't that mean a real benefit to AA as they head into bankruptcy? I guess on the flip side I mean there is nothing beneficial to us that they are headed into bankruptcy....they will come out lean mean with everything intact!
Is it too early to start drinking?

RJtrashPilot

Have you ever done an ounce of union work? If you did, you'd know the amount of time that both volunteers and elected union officials on the LEC and MEC put in day in and day out. It's literally non-stop and the FPL that is received hardly covers the man hours that are put into running the union.

If it's so cushy, why aren't you beating down the door to get one of those jobs?

alfaromeo

Carl,

Your guy was the negotiating committee chairman in 2001. He was MEC Chairman in 2004 when we passed the biggest concession ever. Maybe he didn't mention that on his resume.

forgot to bid

While I think we can all agree alpa work - especially volunteer work - sounds like something you may consider slitting your wrist prior to doing, I have to come to Xrays defense here.

The FPL issue is self made.

It's kind of like a teenager being flabbergasted that her parents would question her honesty but yet won't tell them why she was five hours past curfew.

Where is the FPL data? Rumors of $250,000, dropping holidays and so forth out of seniority are out there, some data would help resolve the lingering questions. Like in the Council 20 letter stated.

It doesn't seem like it should be that hard to put out that data. Just put it out. If it's clean and pure as the wind driven snow it will exonerate DALPA from the naysayers and DPA evil doers.