Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-02-2011, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
I agree with you whole heartedly, but have you asked your Reps what they think? I think you will be dissapointed to say the least. Most of the reps I talk to shake their heads. Bring up the almost $1 billion in bag fees last year, and they deflect it to say we need to pay down debt. You must keep writing your reps and tell them what you expect, and then tell your Captains and other FOs, and fill out that darn survey. As long as they don't dismiss it like the overwhelming votes against age 65, I think we will have a pretty good opener, as long as they follow the wishes of the masses.
"good faith" is a slippery slope, and the the NMB have "parked" regional pilots recently trying to grab an extra crumb off the floor. We can't ask for the moon any more than the company can ask for our hourly rates be minimum wage.
what is "good faith"? That is a moving, ill defined target. Only the NMB will determine who is getting out of line based upon many factors that economically and politically are years out.
The NMB historically could give a rats ass what we had in C2k. They have a short term memory and tend to be myopic even during the present. Ask for too much in their eyes and they will park negotiations 6 month faster than the speed of heat.
This being said we still should demand and open for every cent that brings us to that edge and carry this fine line throughout the sec 6 process.
08-02-2011, 06:08 PM
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08-02-2011, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by fartboxflyer
agreed 100% but the turd in this punch bowl is within sec 6 neg. Rules.
"good faith" is a slippery slope, and the the nmb have "parked" regional pilots recently trying to grab an extra crumb off the floor. We can't ask for the moon any more than the company can ask for our hourly rates be minimum wage.
What is "good faith"? That is a moving, ill defined target. Only the nmb will determine who is getting out of line based upon many factors that economically and politically are years out.
The nmb historically could give a rats ass what we had in c2k. They have a short term memory and tend to be myopic even during the present. Ask for too much in their eyes and they will park negotiations 6 month faster than the speed of heat.
This being said we still should demand and open for every cent that brings us to that edge and carry this fine line throughout the sec 6 process.
"good faith" is a slippery slope, and the the nmb have "parked" regional pilots recently trying to grab an extra crumb off the floor. We can't ask for the moon any more than the company can ask for our hourly rates be minimum wage.
What is "good faith"? That is a moving, ill defined target. Only the nmb will determine who is getting out of line based upon many factors that economically and politically are years out.
The nmb historically could give a rats ass what we had in c2k. They have a short term memory and tend to be myopic even during the present. Ask for too much in their eyes and they will park negotiations 6 month faster than the speed of heat.
This being said we still should demand and open for every cent that brings us to that edge and carry this fine line throughout the sec 6 process.
08-02-2011, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Doug Masters
I have found something to say to the skippers who don't seemed concerned about restoration. Anytime we see a SWA jet the following occurs:
"Hey Boss, you see that guy in the right seat of that purple jet?"
"Yeah"
"Ya know he makes more than you"
"What?!?!?"
An enlightening conversation usually follows
"Hey Boss, you see that guy in the right seat of that purple jet?"
"Yeah"
"Ya know he makes more than you"
"What?!?!?"
An enlightening conversation usually follows
I said, "Did you know even reserve pays more than 90 hours credit a month?"
Sadly, most of our skipper likes to think they still make more... It's really sad.
08-02-2011, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by rvr350
They usually said, "But I make $168 bucks per hour?"
08-02-2011, 06:46 PM
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08-02-2011, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
These types of awards happen all the time. Juries get out of control and award millions to people who order hot coffee and then try and drive and spill it. You hear about the huge awards. The reductions in the awards to pennies on the dollar that occur by judges later on don't make the news.
HBO: Hot Coffee: Home
And the old lady that spilled coffee was not driving, she was parked. She had large third degree burns on her legs and almost died. McDonalds refused to even help pay the medical bills, at the time they had hundreds of complaints of their coffee cups and the their coffee being excessively hot. You only hear the story about out of control juries and money hungry victims because that is how the tort reformist, big business (Chamber of Commerce) and media spin the story.
08-02-2011, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by jayray2
Yes, it is called tort reform and it is not a good thing for you or me. It is all about money and who controls our government. If you have HBO or get a chance in a hotel on a layover this is a great documentary:
HBO: Hot Coffee: Home
And the old lady that spilled coffee was not driving, she was parked. She had large third degree burns on her legs and almost died. McDonalds refused to even help pay the medical bills, at the time they had hundreds of complaints of their coffee cups and the their coffee being excessively hot. You only hear the story about out of control juries and money hungry victims because that is how the tort reformist, big business and media spin the story.
HBO: Hot Coffee: Home
And the old lady that spilled coffee was not driving, she was parked. She had large third degree burns on her legs and almost died. McDonalds refused to even help pay the medical bills, at the time they had hundreds of complaints of their coffee cups and the their coffee being excessively hot. You only hear the story about out of control juries and money hungry victims because that is how the tort reformist, big business and media spin the story.
08-02-2011, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Columbia
"Yes, but $217 an hour times 105/month equals $275K/year (with 18 days off). How about an 80% pay raise?"
08-02-2011, 07:10 PM
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Anyone else hearing that AMR is close to a deal with APA?
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