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08-02-2011, 04:18 PM
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So what's the thought on this possible former TWA pilots award? If ALPA comes for an assessment to cover an award, will that be the death of ALPA?
08-02-2011, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
I just flew with a captain who looked at the contract comparison and replied, "it looks like we're doing pretty good compared to the rest of the industry." He told me he expects less than a 5% raise per year.
Hey Hockey,
Some industrial psychologists call this " fear of legitimacy ". Basicly, you don't feel like you deserve any more, so do not rock the boat.
We only receive what we negotiate, not what we deserve....but if we, as a group, don't feel as if we deserve more, why would a company negotiator ?
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08-02-2011, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
I just flew with a captain who looked at the contract comparison and replied, "it looks like we're doing pretty good compared to the rest of the industry." He told me he expects less than a 5% raise per year.
Just because we are doing better than (most of) our peers doesn't mean we shouldn't be shooting for large improvements though. I was mostly taken by how beaten down this career is, if our current contract is equal to or better than (most of) the other legacy carriers.
All that said, I think as the "premier global airline", we should be compensated as such. There's no reason we shouldn't be shooting for +1 in every category in that comparison. If we matched or exceeded FedEx and SWA in all 5 survey categories, I'd be pleased.
We need to keep reminding everyone we come into contact with, that the vast majority of that comparison is based on bankruptcy era contracts. Anything less than a hefty restoration will be a NO vote for me.
I'm still willing to give the process a chance. However, now that we've been educated on the negotiating environment/process I want to start hearing ideas of how we CAN achieve major contractual gains, not reasons why we shouldn't even ask.
FWIW, I attended the Section 6 roadshow in ATL last week and I did not get the feeling that any sort of negotiating platform has been decided, yet. The contract survey will be out in a month or so, and the collective desires of the pilot group will hopefully steer the course (as it's supposed to.) We'll see.
08-02-2011, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
15% payraise? Passes probably at 55% min.
That's my feel talking to pilots. You can try to talk about SWA and Fedex but some don't care. "I don't want to fly all night!" um, even on the 88 I seem to be landing at 1-3am lately.
"I don't want to fly SWA trips. It's too much. I come here, I want 1-2 legs a day, I want long overnights so I can drink some beer. I mean those guys do like 20 hour 3 days! That's stupid."
I'll keep fighting but 55% at a min if they promise 15% raise, that's my sad bet.
That's my feel talking to pilots. You can try to talk about SWA and Fedex but some don't care. "I don't want to fly all night!" um, even on the 88 I seem to be landing at 1-3am lately.
"I don't want to fly SWA trips. It's too much. I come here, I want 1-2 legs a day, I want long overnights so I can drink some beer. I mean those guys do like 20 hour 3 days! That's stupid."
I'll keep fighting but 55% at a min if they promise 15% raise, that's my sad bet.
08-02-2011, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
Tell that to the SWA/Trannies who are debating the fairness of their SLI.
08-02-2011, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
I don't agree. With the Airtran guys getting a windfall with SWA, I would venture less than 25% would vote for just a 15% raise. Most pilots I have talked to in the lounges seem to gasp when I mention the 15% rumor. I can see 15-20% the FIRST year maybe working, but then add at least 5% a year after that for 3 more years, plus improvements in many other areas as being a starting point. There are other ways to get money into my pocket (higher DC contribution, lower or NO insurance premiums, etc), that could help. But, 15% over 3 years just isn't going to do it, and they will read that in the survey unanimously. Of course ALPA said more than 50% voted for Age 65, right? There is no way that could have happened, with every RJ pilot, every mainline FO, and half the Captains voting NO for age 65. It still happened, probably because the LECs and MEC thought they knew better, along with Pratter. So, maybe they will just tell the negotiators 15% is what we should go for, just because, they KNOW better than we do.
08-02-2011, 04:57 PM
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I have found something to say to the skippers who don't seemed concerned about restoration. Anytime we see a SWA jet the following occurs:
"Hey Boss, you see that guy in the right seat of that purple jet?"
"Yeah"
"Ya know he makes more than you"
"What?!?!?"
An enlightening conversation usually follows
"Hey Boss, you see that guy in the right seat of that purple jet?"
"Yeah"
"Ya know he makes more than you"
"What?!?!?"
An enlightening conversation usually follows
08-02-2011, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay5150
ComAir or ASA is, nor ever was an AirTran. And they are at the bottom. You weren't, nor ever were entitled to anything. Get over it.
08-02-2011, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
Thank you for pointing out my arrogance and reminding me of my proper place.
Boomer;
I gotta hand it to you, you crack me up.
08-02-2011, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
So what's the thought on this possible former TWA pilots award? If ALPA comes for an assessment to cover an award, will that be the death of ALPA?
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