Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-01-2011, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by fishguy79
OK, I realize pay, work rules, sick leave are all important, but for the upcoming contract survey, my number 1 thru 10 priority is scope. Consider this:
- You used to be able to fly on Delta metal to Recife, Fortaleze, and Manaus in Brazil, now you can go there via codeshare with Gol
- You used to be able to fly daily (summer season) from ATL to Puerto Vallarta, now it is Sat only other wise code share with Aero Mexico
- After the summer draw down you can get to TXL, ARG, CPH, MAN, SNN, PSA, AGP, VLC, BUD and one more I forget! via our JV partners. Not to mention EDI, OTP, AMM, CAI.
- you used to be able to fly to Ho Chi Minh, Vietnam on us, now it is Vietnam Airlines.
- you used to be able to fly LAX to GRU non stop on us, Now you can fly on Korean Air, MWF. How this is legal is beyond me but you can.
This is the RJ playbook but with top end flying pure and simple. Wish we could stop it, but according to my union rep, the company is in compliance with our contract. In that case, our contract sucks.
fish
- You used to be able to fly on Delta metal to Recife, Fortaleze, and Manaus in Brazil, now you can go there via codeshare with Gol
- You used to be able to fly daily (summer season) from ATL to Puerto Vallarta, now it is Sat only other wise code share with Aero Mexico
- After the summer draw down you can get to TXL, ARG, CPH, MAN, SNN, PSA, AGP, VLC, BUD and one more I forget! via our JV partners. Not to mention EDI, OTP, AMM, CAI.
- you used to be able to fly to Ho Chi Minh, Vietnam on us, now it is Vietnam Airlines.
- you used to be able to fly LAX to GRU non stop on us, Now you can fly on Korean Air, MWF. How this is legal is beyond me but you can.
This is the RJ playbook but with top end flying pure and simple. Wish we could stop it, but according to my union rep, the company is in compliance with our contract. In that case, our contract sucks.
fish
Totally and completely agree. We ought to unionize.
08-01-2011, 04:05 PM
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5:15 should be per day, not duty period. 33 hour layover issue solved.
08-01-2011, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
It's still a big poo sandwich, though.
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08-01-2011, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by groundstop
5:15 should be per day, not duty period. 33 hour layover issue solved.
08-01-2011, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
There has been a whole team of lawyers assigned to help Airtran work through their issues. Working with the law is not the way it is on TV, they don't come up with a magic angle and miraculously the good guys win. Their scope language was weak and SWA management has their rights. There are no magic bullets. It is just hilarious that an independent union run completely independently with no "conflict of interest" sets themselves up for this situation and you STILL blame ALPA.
So now we play the SOS card. Explain to me how conducting an SOS is any different than robbing a bank. As long as we are violating the law, we might as well go where all the money is.
I don't have to prove that SWAPA colluded with management. They have every right to collude with their management, what would we go to court for? Neither SWA management nor SWAPA have any duty to the Airtran pilots therefore they are free to collude to their hearts content.
Check out Guadalupe Holdings and tell me what you find out. Then come back with a real answer. You have a lot of anger but not a lot of plans.
So now we play the SOS card. Explain to me how conducting an SOS is any different than robbing a bank. As long as we are violating the law, we might as well go where all the money is.
I don't have to prove that SWAPA colluded with management. They have every right to collude with their management, what would we go to court for? Neither SWA management nor SWAPA have any duty to the Airtran pilots therefore they are free to collude to their hearts content.
Check out Guadalupe Holdings and tell me what you find out. Then come back with a real answer. You have a lot of anger but not a lot of plans.
I dont have any anger. Just disgust.
Write 'em off, it's the ALPA way.
Do we have a union president in DC for a reason? Is he there to have a seat at the table or wield union power. I don't have the foggiest idea why I am charged any monthly dues for a useless entity.
If our union prez isnt prepared to do a little jail time for the greater good, then what good is he? Are we worth fighting for or not?
If not, flush the whole thing. Be a man.
But I have a house payment and I drive a beamer and I like to think people think I'm important. Fat, old, bald and boring. Man up or get out. We are blue collar.
PS: I checked out Guadelupe holdings months ago. Surely, ALPA looked around that corner too? Or not.
08-01-2011, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by groundstop
5:15 should be per day, not duty period. 33 hour layover issue solved.
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PS. (only in beach cities, though)
08-01-2011, 05:20 PM
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To all of my L&G Bubbas. I apologize for venting so strongly here during the last couple of days. I am sure it is clear to all where I stand on the issues as they relate to ALPA. For me and maybe others, this SWA AT merger was to be a defining moment for my final position on ALPA. I honestly did not want it to go the way that it did and hoped ALPA would do something to help in the fairness department for AT. I have in the past had the same hopes for us in regard to scope.
My opinions and conclusions are mine and I am not trying to sway anyone. I am just a guy speaking my mind in as truthful a way as I can. If it got too inflammatory I'm sorry. Noone told me to write this, I just didnt want to be a downer on the thread.
My opinions and conclusions are mine and I am not trying to sway anyone. I am just a guy speaking my mind in as truthful a way as I can. If it got too inflammatory I'm sorry. Noone told me to write this, I just didnt want to be a downer on the thread.
08-01-2011, 05:28 PM
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Scambo1,
No worries. Keep posting. If some people get hurt we have backup (see below).
No worries. Keep posting. If some people get hurt we have backup (see below).
08-01-2011, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Totally and completely agree. We ought to unionize.
08-01-2011, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by groundstop
5:15 should be per day, not duty period. 33 hour layover issue solved.
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