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08-18-2011, 04:32 PM
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Last week I had reserved the jumpseat from ATL to PBI, two days in advance and coded as personal. I show up at the gate one hour before push and some FAA guy is standing there in his short sleeve shirt and outdated tie. I check in with the gate agent and she informs me that Mr. FAA has the cockpit jumpseat. All seats and the F/A jumpseat are taken. I asked the captain if he knew why the FAA was on this flight, he told me that Mr. FAA was just catching a ride to PBI. When I asked Mr. FAA if he was on official business or just getting away for the weekend he said he was just going from point A to point B. What ever that means.
Normally I would blow this off but the same thing happened two days later on my way back home. ***? I thought someone should have called me and said the J/S would be taken by the FAA. I also thought they had to have some reason other than "catching a ride".
I try not to hold a grudge but now I hate the FAA with a passion.
Is their a way to go about reporting this? If so, to whom?
Thanks
BFS
Normally I would blow this off but the same thing happened two days later on my way back home. ***? I thought someone should have called me and said the J/S would be taken by the FAA. I also thought they had to have some reason other than "catching a ride".
I try not to hold a grudge but now I hate the FAA with a passion.
Is their a way to go about reporting this? If so, to whom?
Thanks
BFS
08-18-2011, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
Just lean over and give the wife your best "how you doin?"
08-18-2011, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by BoyFromSouth
Last week I had reserved the jumpseat from ATL to PBI, two days in advance and coded as personal. I show up at the gate one hour before push and some FAA guy is standing there in his short sleeve shirt and outdated tie. I check in with the gate agent and she informs me that Mr. FAA has the cockpit jumpseat. All seats and the F/A jumpseat are taken. I asked the captain if he knew why the FAA was on this flight, he told me that Mr. FAA was just catching a ride to PBI. When I asked Mr. FAA if he was on official business or just getting away for the weekend he said he was just going from point A to point B. What ever that means.
Normally I would blow this off but the same thing happened two days later on my way back home. ***? I thought someone should have called me and said the J/S would be taken by the FAA. I also thought they had to have some reason other than "catching a ride".
I try not to hold a grudge but now I hate the FAA with a passion.
Is their a way to go about reporting this? If so, to whom?
Thanks
BFS
Normally I would blow this off but the same thing happened two days later on my way back home. ***? I thought someone should have called me and said the J/S would be taken by the FAA. I also thought they had to have some reason other than "catching a ride".
I try not to hold a grudge but now I hate the FAA with a passion.
Is their a way to go about reporting this? If so, to whom?
Thanks
BFS
Send it to the jumpseat committee. I had this happen years ago. The fed offered to take the next flight. I later went into the FSDO with a nice thank you letter for his supervisor. They were really shocked that a pilot came in to say something nice.
08-18-2011, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by BoyFromSouth
Last week I had reserved the jumpseat from ATL to PBI, two days in advance and coded as personal. I show up at the gate one hour before push and some FAA guy is standing there in his short sleeve shirt and outdated tie. I check in with the gate agent and she informs me that Mr. FAA has the cockpit jumpseat. All seats and the F/A jumpseat are taken. I asked the captain if he knew why the FAA was on this flight, he told me that Mr. FAA was just catching a ride to PBI. When I asked Mr. FAA if he was on official business or just getting away for the weekend he said he was just going from point A to point B. What ever that means.
Normally I would blow this off but the same thing happened two days later on my way back home. ***? I thought someone should have called me and said the J/S would be taken by the FAA. I also thought they had to have some reason other than "catching a ride".
I try not to hold a grudge but now I hate the FAA with a passion.
Is their a way to go about reporting this? If so, to whom?
Thanks
BFS
Normally I would blow this off but the same thing happened two days later on my way back home. ***? I thought someone should have called me and said the J/S would be taken by the FAA. I also thought they had to have some reason other than "catching a ride".
I try not to hold a grudge but now I hate the FAA with a passion.
Is their a way to go about reporting this? If so, to whom?
Thanks
BFS
08-18-2011, 05:01 PM
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OK, newb question, but one I've never seen an answer to. If you are on reserve and put in qualifiers in PCS for "Select Preference Qualifiers If Needed To Fly" will they be considered if you don't reduce your RAW score?
08-18-2011, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Jesse
OK, newb question, but one I've never seen an answer to. If you are on reserve and put in qualifiers in PCS for "Select Preference Qualifiers If Needed To Fly" will they be considered if you don't reduce your RAW score?
08-18-2011, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by BoyFromSouth
About a year ago, I asked the scheduler this question. He informed me that you do not need to lower your raw score to be considered. He told me that they were suppose to consider your "preference if needed to fly" when assigning trips but not to many schedulers took the time. If they needed you for something and it fit on your schedule, they would assign it and move on.
08-18-2011, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Jesse
OK, newb question, but one I've never seen an answer to. If you are on reserve and put in qualifiers in PCS for "Select Preference Qualifiers If Needed To Fly" will they be considered if you don't reduce your RAW score?
Originally Posted by BoyFromSouth
About a year ago, I asked the scheduler this question. He informed me that you do not need to lower your raw score to be considered. He told me that they were suppose to consider your "preference if needed to fly" when assigning trips but not to many schedulers took the time. If they needed you for something and it fit on your schedule, they would assign it and move on.
As to schedulers, in my experience they completely and utterly blow off anything you put in there. It should be 100% computerized. When someone's hand gets in the mix you're going to get screwed.
And you can't call them on it because when you do you'll get a "it's too late now." I've seen this on reserve AM/PM preferences too and have called about it. That they will adjust. But in my experience they're assigning stuff without looking.
But from the RUO document:
Option E: Select Preference Qualifiers If Needed to Fly
• A pilot may enter trip preference qualifiers to indicate his rotation preference
in the event he is assigned flying. The preferences entered for this option are
not relevant unless the pilot’s RAW value is such that he is to be assigned
flying.
• Preference qualifiers will be honored, in seniority order, unless the pilot is
needed to fly a different rotation within his days-of-availability group, e.g., if
he is the only available pilot qualified to fly into a special airport.
• A pilot who has entered preferences under Option E and has not opted to
reduce his RAW value is not considered to have submitted a yellow slip.
Thus, a rotation assigned on the basis of such preferences may not take
the pilot above the ALV.
• A pilot may enter up to 4 separate rotation qualifier preferences. Each
preference may include specific trips or date range(s) with rotation qualifiers
• A pilot may enter trip preference qualifiers to indicate his rotation preference
in the event he is assigned flying. The preferences entered for this option are
not relevant unless the pilot’s RAW value is such that he is to be assigned
flying.
• Preference qualifiers will be honored, in seniority order, unless the pilot is
needed to fly a different rotation within his days-of-availability group, e.g., if
he is the only available pilot qualified to fly into a special airport.
• A pilot who has entered preferences under Option E and has not opted to
reduce his RAW value is not considered to have submitted a yellow slip.
Thus, a rotation assigned on the basis of such preferences may not take
the pilot above the ALV.
• A pilot may enter up to 4 separate rotation qualifier preferences. Each
preference may include specific trips or date range(s) with rotation qualifiers
How It All Comes Together
When the scheduler begins the trip coverage process he generates what is known as a Trip
Coverage (TC) report. This report lists all available and “legal to fly” pilots for the specific
length of trips to be covered, e.g. 4-day trips, in order from lowest to highest RAW value. It first
lists pilots with days of availability matching the length of trips to be covered, followed by pilots
in each successive group of days of availability. For example, a 2-day trip TC report will list 2-
day pilots, then 3-day pilots, then 4-day pilots.
A seniority sequence number is displayed after the employee number to indicate relative
seniority among the pilots on the list. If a pilot has lowered his RAW value, this will also be
indicated on the report.
If two pilots have the same RAW value and:
the criteria of the request. The report lists the trip(s) that each pilot is available and legal to fly, in
the following sequence:
When the scheduler begins the trip coverage process he generates what is known as a Trip
Coverage (TC) report. This report lists all available and “legal to fly” pilots for the specific
length of trips to be covered, e.g. 4-day trips, in order from lowest to highest RAW value. It first
lists pilots with days of availability matching the length of trips to be covered, followed by pilots
in each successive group of days of availability. For example, a 2-day trip TC report will list 2-
day pilots, then 3-day pilots, then 4-day pilots.
A seniority sequence number is displayed after the employee number to indicate relative
seniority among the pilots on the list. If a pilot has lowered his RAW value, this will also be
indicated on the report.
If two pilots have the same RAW value and:
• Each has submitted a yellow slip to reduce his RAW value, the senior pilot will appear
first on the report.
• Neither pilot has reduced his RAW value, the junior pilot will appear first on the report.
• Only one of the two pilots has reduced his RAW value, the pilot who has reduced his
RAW value will appear first on the report.
Every pilot who appears on the TC report is available and legal to fly at least one trip that meetsfirst on the report.
• Neither pilot has reduced his RAW value, the junior pilot will appear first on the report.
• Only one of the two pilots has reduced his RAW value, the pilot who has reduced his
RAW value will appear first on the report.
the criteria of the request. The report lists the trip(s) that each pilot is available and legal to fly, in
the following sequence:
• Trips that meet the pilot’s Option E preference qualifiers “if needed to fly.” These trips
will have an asterisk next to the rotation number.
Note again that Option E preference qualifiers “if needed to fly” are relevant only after the
decision has been made that the pilot will fly based upon his RAW value. They have no impact
on whether or not the pilot will fly.
will have an asterisk next to the rotation number.
o If the pilot has more than one trip that satisfies his preference qualifiers and he
selected any one of the following preference qualifiers:
- LATEST REPORT AVAILABLE,
- EARLIEST BLOCK-IN AVAILABLE,
- MOST BLOCK TIME FOR AVAILABLE ROTATION(S), or
- HIGHEST TOTAL TIME FOR AVAILABLE ROTATION(S),
then the trips will appear in the selected preference qualifier sequence.
o If he did not select one of the 4 preference qualifiers listed, his “preferred” trips
will appear in appear in descending order of total credit.
• Trips that do not meet his preference qualifiers, listed in descending order of total credit.selected any one of the following preference qualifiers:
- LATEST REPORT AVAILABLE,
- EARLIEST BLOCK-IN AVAILABLE,
- MOST BLOCK TIME FOR AVAILABLE ROTATION(S), or
- HIGHEST TOTAL TIME FOR AVAILABLE ROTATION(S),
then the trips will appear in the selected preference qualifier sequence.
o If he did not select one of the 4 preference qualifiers listed, his “preferred” trips
will appear in appear in descending order of total credit.
Note again that Option E preference qualifiers “if needed to fly” are relevant only after the
decision has been made that the pilot will fly based upon his RAW value. They have no impact
on whether or not the pilot will fly.
But I can rewrite it to be a little more accurate:
How it All Comes Together
The Scheduler assigns trip however they want.
Have a good day.
The Scheduler assigns trip however they want.
Have a good day.
08-18-2011, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by BoyFromSouth
About a year ago, I asked the scheduler this question. He informed me that you do not need to lower your raw score to be considered. He told me that they were suppose to consider your "preference if needed to fly" when assigning trips but not to many schedulers took the time. If they needed you for something and it fit on your schedule, they would assign it and move on.
08-18-2011, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by BoyFromSouth
Last week I had reserved the jumpseat from ATL to PBI, two days in advance and coded as personal. I show up at the gate one hour before push and some FAA guy is standing there in his short sleeve shirt and outdated tie. I check in with the gate agent and she informs me that Mr. FAA has the cockpit jumpseat. All seats and the F/A jumpseat are taken. I asked the captain if he knew why the FAA was on this flight, he told me that Mr. FAA was just catching a ride to PBI. When I asked Mr. FAA if he was on official business or just getting away for the weekend he said he was just going from point A to point B. What ever that means.
Normally I would blow this off but the same thing happened two days later on my way back home. ***? I thought someone should have called me and said the J/S would be taken by the FAA. I also thought they had to have some reason other than "catching a ride".
I try not to hold a grudge but now I hate the FAA with a passion.
Is their a way to go about reporting this? If so, to whom?
Thanks
BFS
Normally I would blow this off but the same thing happened two days later on my way back home. ***? I thought someone should have called me and said the J/S would be taken by the FAA. I also thought they had to have some reason other than "catching a ride".
I try not to hold a grudge but now I hate the FAA with a passion.
Is their a way to go about reporting this? If so, to whom?
Thanks
BFS
If you are bumped from the jumpseat going TO work by the FAA or a LCA who is conducting a checking event, they owe you a PS seat in the back.
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