Eck4Life

I think you're right. If you haven't gotten your 100 hrs and day 120 is approaching you can fly a leg with a check airman to extend it an additional 30 days. If you still don't have it by day 150 you are going to the box for a ride. Call your chief pilot and have him get you a trip(s).

chuck416

STILL haven't sent in my DPA card.....but if THIS is the best our negotiators have to present (pay-wise) in section 6, it will get very ugly. Long-time ALPA supporter. This truly makes me sad. Am I the only one who remembers the Steenland/McClain exchange where Steenland indicated that these pay-cuts were "...permanent reset of labor wages..." and McClain responded that "...no, these wages/work rules are merely temporary 'safe-harbor' for our company in a perfect storm environment of bad (airline) events..." So the question becomes, 'Who was right?'

Chuck416

Too Tall

Its in the airway manual look there.

Columbia

2010: SWA-$12B revenue. 6,000 pilots. Revenue/pilot: $2,000,000
DAL: $32B revenue. 12,000 pilots. Revenue/pilot: $2,666,666

Wasatch Phantom

PG, Sailing, ACL, etc.

I agree completely with Scambo.

ALPA threw the TWA pilots under the bus. ALPA's (lack of) performance (with respect to the TWA pilots) was adjudicated in a court of law and the jury decided ALPA had failed the TWA pilots.

Less than a month after the verdict in the TWA DFR lawsuit ALPA again under performs for another ALPA pilot group being acquired by a non-ALPA carrier.

I am completely at a loss in trying to grasp exactly what benefit the Delta pilots get by having ALPA represent us. They failed the TWA pilots, they are failing the Air Tran pilots, and they have a track record of poor performance at Delta (IMHO).

As a "Dead-zoner" this next contract is exceedingly important for me. Why would I want a "team" that has demonstrated nothing but mediocrity representing my interests?

Pineapple Guy

Juries also "proved" that OJ and Casey Anthony were innocent.

ALPA didn't throw the TWA pilots under the bus; they did it all by themselves, rather than face almost certainty of being thrown over the cliff of liquidation. If anything, their predicament proves the core problem of airline based seniority systems, rather than some type of portable seniority, but I won't even open up that can of worms again.

Have you read who was responsible for AirTran's apparent pathetic Scope language? Hint: it wasn't ALPA. Blaming ALPA for their predicament is like blaming the NYC Fire Department for the World Trade Centers falling.

I'm a dead-zoner too. And ALPA is FAR from perfect, but their track record far exceeds the law firm associated with the alternative union, imo.

USAPA proved that. NWA AMFA proved that. And now, unfortunately for our AirTran brethren, AirTran is proving that...

iaflyer

It's in Part 2 of the FOM. Available on DeltaNet only, it's not in the printed version.

Where on DeltaNet you ask? Left side, click on Flight Kit, then look down for FOM, then select, FOM Part 2.

Flamer

That is an interesting number I had not seen before. Thanks.

Elvis90

Excellent point and so easy to understand! That's productivity.

dragon

Page 3-82 of the airway manual (OPSPECS). You get 120 days or 150 with an extension. Most of the ER guys I trained with had to use the extension including myself.