The APA and American pilots fought through a delay tactic that is part and parcel of the uneven playing field provided by the RLA.

Did AMR's strategy work? Heck yes AMR's strategy worked. They enjoyed another 4-5 years of their pilots working for dirt cheap wages with the knowledge that the possibility of the NMB clearing them for self help was years down the road, if that.

The AA pilots probably could have taken what they considered to be inadequate pay and contract improvements and had a contract much sooner. Your position seems to define that as success, or at least progress. If that's the case, I respectfully disagree.

 

Ummm. If the pilots of LEC 1 are not happy with the rep I have one word for you:
RECALL!!!!!!!

(You don't have to buy donuts to replace a rep you think is going a poor job.)

Besides, he is only one vote, both at the MEC and as a pilot. I know my reps(BOTH) have very high standards and would cancel him out and then some.

 

Success IMHO, is convincing 2 people that your proposal is equitable.

The only thing that matters is getting 2 of the 3 NMB members to see your viewpoint as the correct one. Once you have that, you can apply all kinds of leverage that you want. BUT, until you have an offer that fits within the opinion of 2 NMB members, you are going to accomplish a whole lot of nothing.

 

They have probably been kicking themselves for not doing a BK and pension-dump back when everyone else did. Crandall wouldn't have hesitated for a minute.

 

I am tired of this BS about a fractured pilot group. Really, come on guys get a grip. First of all, I have sent in my DPA card and want ALPA off the property as I have been unhappy with ALPA for years way before the merger. However, until it is replaced, I am a unified pilot supporting our pilot group in our efforts to better our contract. What ever group that represents us, I will support as I believe 95% of our pilot group will. I feel that DPA will serve our pilot group much better than ALPA. I feel that our dues money will go for what best serves Delta pilots. Right now I feel that my dues money goes to serve an organization that supports DCI companies that are taking mainline flying. How does ALPA represent us and them at the same time. I have also witness first hand how reps get involved to support their pilots only to become a servant to the all mighty ALPA, sad but true. So, for all those that keep screaming about a split pilot group, I say you are the ones trying to perpetuate that line of thinking. I will not consider myself as a split pilot, I only want what I believe is best for the pilot group as a whole. My last 25 years under ALPA has been very disappointing in many ways. The time has come for a new direction!

 

Mental health break --

 

+1

I don't think the "fracture" is nearly as serious as some would portray it. I hope the ALPA guys don't begin to rely on the threat from the DPA as another excuse to manage our expectations downward. It does seem to be a "talking point" lately.

Having said that, I don't think the DPA card drive should continue indefinitely.
At some point they will need to suspend their activities and focus on the task at hand -- Contract 2012.

If the DPA is still agitating into 2012 then they will rapidly begin losing more support than they gain.

 

IF the rep said that, and I still have my doubts, his pilots are free to begin a recall effort. That is below even MY personal minimums, and I'm a kool-aid drinker.

 

Ahhhhhhh! What BUNZ!

 

YES!! +1

Carl