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Old 07-31-2011 | 06:18 PM
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Anybody know if a list of the early out guys has been published and where it is posted????
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Old 07-31-2011 | 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by cards5
"Right now, we are staffed properly for the rest of the year and the flying we expect to see at the beginning of next year."
The way I interpreted this, it was meant to be a reassuring comment - i.e. we are NOT overstaffed.

Originally Posted by cards5
When do we find out about staffing needed for next summer? Any chance we may need to hire?

Network is supposed to have the tentative block hour plan for summer 2012 out sometime this fall. I'm guessing we'll know more about if there will be hirring to staff for the summer 2012 peak when they release the October/November AE. If we keep the block hours close to where they were this summer, I'm guessing we could probably squeak by without hirring - though I would imagine it would be yet another "interesting summer." But if network were to come to crew resources late spring with a request for more summer block hours they may have to say "unable."

SD also made the comment that the 5% capacity reduction in the fall only represented about a 0.5% reduction in block hours.
Old 07-31-2011 | 07:29 PM
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Old 07-31-2011 | 07:56 PM
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Speaking of the Fall AE, here is a prediction of what it will entail, based on things said by crew resources and other key folks over the last month or so. I listed the positions by event probability.

Almost Certain: Close MEM DC9

Likely: Filled unfilled A330 CA positions from last bid, as well as “early out” 330 CA positions (about 40 total 330 CA positions, if I did my math right…)

Likely: Balance M88 CA and FO positions in NYC and MSP (NYC has more M88 CA than FO’s, MSP more FO’s than CA. Would be an increase of about 30 CA in MSP, 30 FO NYC, and should be most of what’s needed to cover the incoming 90’s through the spring.)

Possible: Open 73N DTW. Probably small at first. Crew resources indicated that , if this happened, the would fund it through 73N displacements in all other bases (though the closure of the 73N CVG is a rumor running around with this.)

Possible: Open 320 NYC. Obviously in play with the slot swap going through. Again, probably small at first if it happens, and I would imagine it would be funded through displacements in MSP, DTW, and possibly MEM. (one could even feasibly make the argument that the MEM 320 catgegory is very high credit time ) I think they would probably pick one between this and the 73N DTW for the fall bid.

Possible: Smattering of M88 positions in all bases, funded by displacements in DC9 DTW, MSP.

I would imagine they would ellect not to backfill much in a few categories (7ER comes to mind) to account for the fall/winter slowdown.

Somebody with more "dots" can add/correct as necessary
Old 07-31-2011 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Razorback flyer
Speaking of the Fall AE, here is a prediction of what it will entail, based on things said by crew resources and other key folks over the last month or so. I listed the positions by event probability.

Almost Certain: Close MEM DC9

Likely: Filled unfilled A330 CA positions from last bid, as well as “early out” 330 CA positions (about 40 total 330 CA positions, if I did my math right…)

Likely: Balance M88 CA and FO positions in NYC and MSP (NYC has more M88 CA than FO’s, MSP more FO’s than CA. Would be an increase of about 30 CA in MSP, 30 FO NYC, and should be most of what’s needed to cover the incoming 90’s through the spring.)

Possible: Open 73N DTW. Probably small at first. Crew resources indicated that , if this happened, the would fund it through 73N displacements in all other bases (though the closure of the 73N CVG is a rumor running around with this.)

Possible: Open 320 NYC. Obviously in play with the slot swap going through. Again, probably small at first if it happens, and I would imagine it would be funded through displacements in MSP, DTW, and possibly MEM. (one could even feasibly make the argument that the MEM 320 catgegory is very high credit time ) I think they would probably pick one between this and the 73N DTW for the fall bid.

Possible: Smattering of M88 positions in all bases, funded by displacements in DC9 DTW, MSP.

I would imagine they would ellect not to backfill much in a few categories (7ER comes to mind) to account for the fall/winter slowdown.

Somebody with more "dots" can add/correct as necessary

Those are good dots.

You stealing ACL's dots? Don't be takin' his dots.
Old 07-31-2011 | 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Those are good dots.

You stealing ACL's dots? Don't be takin' his dots.

Wouldn't dream of it!

Just listening and reading when folks have something to say, lookin' at some numbers, and occasionaly reading APC forums
Old 07-31-2011 | 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
That's what I thought. Two things are going to be VERY interesting:

1. If the MEC even allows that travesty to go to a vote. (a good pay raise in exchange for throwing their pilot group's seniority under a monster truck)

2. If the MEC does allow it to go for a vote, whether or not they "promote" it.

Will ALPA national get involved on behalf of AT?

And if not how long before a DFR is filed by AT F/O's if this goes through?

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Old 08-01-2011 | 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Okay, I see how you want to play this.

We were in agreement on what was fair...privately. We both agree that it was not what we thought would be "fair."

Can someone post the Air Tran merger fragementation language again?

If it wasn't followed, ALPA did some screwin'.
Scambo, you are right, and I still believe what we privately discussed is fair -- much more fair than what I've seen is going to be the final SLI.

BUT... that doesn't mean ALPA National influenced this to SWAPA's advantage.

What it DOES mean, is that SWAPA is (again) showing their true colors as they have in all previous mergers. They have a pilot group that mirrors the AMR group in self-centeredness to screw the merging pilots.
Old 08-01-2011 | 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
Scambo, you are right, and I still believe what we privately discussed is fair -- much more fair than what I've seen is going to be the final SLI.

BUT... that doesn't mean ALPA National influenced this to SWAPA's advantage.

What it DOES mean, is that SWAPA is (again) showing their true colors as they have in all previous mergers. They have a pilot group that mirrors the AMR group in self-centeredness to screw the merging pilots.
Interesting thing is though, will NATIONAL do anything if the ATI guys vote this down, and are subsequently parted out by SWA? This is huge IMHO, because SWA has devised an end around for what should be a fair merger of equals. (regardless of what the SWA guys think) I'm betting that ALPA will say too bad so sad, and then you will owe the Charitable fund $100 bucks.

(How's that for mediation?)
Old 08-01-2011 | 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
Scambo, you are right, and I still believe what we privately discussed is fair -- much more fair than what I've seen is going to be the final SLI.

BUT... that doesn't mean ALPA National influenced this to SWAPA's advantage.

What it DOES mean, is that SWAPA is (again) showing their true colors as they have in all previous mergers. They have a pilot group that mirrors the AMR group in self-centeredness to screw the merging pilots.

PG;

I'm NOT going to let you hide behind ALPA natl's little blurb in their merger policy where they say they are a neutral. Its a one liner. The SW group is extorting seniority here from AT. I have said all along that this sli was the test of ALPA's relevance.

If this is the joint position that will get sent to the pilots for a vote, I have to ask you or anyone; what is the point of having ALPA at all? aeromedical? (Which I beleive is getting spun off).

If alpa allows its pilot groups to be held at gunpoint and robbed by a little union that has "never raised the bar on anything" how can anyone say alpa is worth even having around. McFly...
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