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Quote: Is this why the 73 has surpassed the 88 this year in the number of unstabilized visual approaches? Just did recurrent and the instr said the Mad Dog is no longer the sloppy messy kid in the cafeteria
We're #1, we're #1!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote: Is this why the 73 has surpassed the 88 this year in the number of unstabilized visual approaches? Just did recurrent and the instr said the Mad Dog is no longer the sloppy messy kid in the cafeteria
I really don't get it.. the 73N is very easy to slow down compared to the 757. I typically come down final at idle and flaps 5 or flaps 10...at about 1500 feet go gear down and straight to flaps 30. The thing slows down like a brick.


Oh, and the age old excuse of "cannot fart with confidence" will no longer work with crew scheduling:

Quote: Is this why the 73 has surpassed the 88 this year in the number of unstabilized visual approaches? Just did recurrent and the instr said the Mad Dog is no longer the sloppy messy kid in the cafeteria
Its us by a long shot. Not really sure why. I agree with 80, the jet slows down just fine.
Quote: The ones on the 737-800 are 220... and that airplane is a runway hog for sure. Typical approach speed is in the mid 150's. Rotation is usually near 160.

We did a heavy takeoff out of MEX a few weeks ago and our takeoff roll was over 10,000 feet!
Riddle me this??? Did you use reduced thrust?

It is for this exact reason that I have somewhat changed my philosophy on the use of assumed temperature and derated thrust on the 737-800. I think the AWABS people have been overdoing it a bit lately. There's no reason we have to be using the whole runway on every takeoff. This whole balanced field thing is OK but there are some airports I'd prefer to get up and out of there or have a little more cushion if we ever do have to abort at high speed.
I used to automatically use the top line. No longer. Now I give a closer look to the RATOW and climb limits.

Did a takeoff out of ATL the other day with a double de-rate and geez...
Southwest taxis with more thrust than we had.
Used up the whole 27R and we weren't even that heavy.
Quote: I'd say UPS does win but FedEX has an unlimited amount of feeder aircraft allowed. The Mountain Air Cargo types have no cap unless I'm reading challenged today. LUV has no regional planes but they are selling flights to Mexico by using Volaris via some kind of "connecting" arrangement. I don't know the details but I assume SWAPA signed off on this?
Here's our scope: FDX (There is more that deals with some relief)


The Company’s revenue flights (including Company revenue charter flights), conducted with aircraft owned, leased, or operated within the domestic or international operations described below, conducted with aircraft over 60,000 lbs. MTOGW, shall be flown only by pilots whose names appear on the Federal Express Master Seniority List in accordance with the terms of the Agreement.


There are some exceptions such as Morningstar that does our intra-Canadian flying in FDX owned 757's. Also some charter relief for Peak etc.
Quote: Here's our scope: FDX (There is more that deals with some relief)


The Company’s revenue flights (including Company revenue charter flights), conducted with aircraft owned, leased, or operated within the domestic or international operations described below, conducted with aircraft over 60,000 lbs. MTOGW, shall be flown only by pilots whose names appear on the Federal Express Master Seniority List in accordance with the terms of the Agreement.


There are some exceptions such as Morningstar that does our intra-Canadian flying in FDX owned 757's. Also some charter relief for Peak etc.
Hey Past,

This effectively limits scope a/c to Caravan, and F27 turboprops.....except for peak relief which is contractual and generates penalty dollars paid by the company.....is this still correct ?

Regards,
BG
If anybody sees a crater on 3R in DTW, I just put it there.
Quote: Hey Past,

This effectively limits scope a/c to Caravan, and F27 turboprops.....except for peak relief which is contractual and generates penalty dollars paid by the company.....is this still correct ?

Regards,
BG
I think Mountain Air Cargo flies ATR's in FedEx paint.
Quote: Hey Past,

This effectively limits scope a/c to Caravan, and F27 turboprops.....except for peak relief which is contractual and generates penalty dollars paid by the company.....is this still correct ?

Regards,
BG
I remember seeing the Kalitta whales doing the santa claus extra lift over the holidays... I was always interested to know what sort of contractual obligations there were to the FDX pilots with those wet leases.
Quote: Riddle me this??? Did you use reduced thrust?

It is for this exact reason that I have somewhat changed my philosophy on the use of assumed temperature and derated thrust on the 737-800. I think the AWABS people have been overdoing it a bit lately. There's no reason we have to be using the whole runway on every takeoff. This whole balanced field thing is OK but there are some airports I'd prefer to get up and out of there or have a little more cushion if we ever do have to abort at high speed.
I used to automatically use the top line. No longer. Now I give a closer look to the RATOW and climb limits.

Did a takeoff out of ATL the other day with a double de-rate and geez...
Southwest taxis with more thrust than we had.
Used up the whole 27R and we weren't even that heavy.
I'm fine using reduced thrust... I've always examined the RATOW and climb limits along with the captain to make sure we're not too close. The 700 is a particularly good performer. It's pretty funny (and fun!) getting to climb power and seeing an 8 or 9% increase in N1.

The takeoff out of MEX in question was full power and bleeds off!
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