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georgetg 08-30-2011 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1046609)
...Damn, I was really hoping for the Honda Jet styled engines above the wing!

Of course the Fokker did it long before. Awesome baby!

I feel like I posted a picture of a naked dude. That thing is ugly...

When I was a kid that was a cool jet!
..and don't forget that Fokker is also a Focke-Wulf ;-)

Its really all a matter of paint!

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4028/...298f499a69.jpg

..looks like Sukhoi like that paintjob:

http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/rus...erjet100_1.jpg

http://www.superjetinternational.com...2/Pic00011.jpg
..and thats why Dimitry is smiling unlike Putin and Belousconi ;-)

Cheers
George

Carl Spackler 08-30-2011 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1046564)
I bet they do before the year is out, but to date, it is the biggest issue pilots I fly with bring up; wrt scope. They want their union to take a public position on scope, pay and the value of a pilot.


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1046614)
Do you have any idea how much crap I've taken over the past 5 years because I've been advocating exactly what you said above?

Sorry. That just struck me as funny... and sad. Carry on.

You noticed that too eh? I remember how you were ridiculed for something as stupid as wanting your union to simply state the objective, then execute the plan. Guess it's a great idea now that it's their idea. ;)

Carl

tsquare 08-30-2011 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1046729)
T Square,

Until their computer accounts for the revenue bumped by deadheading reserve pilots, a guy <70 hours is "free."

Probably best not make any assumptions about NYC staffing based on anything that happened this week.

It was not just this week. This was the proverbial straw.

Carl Spackler 08-30-2011 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1046664)
Completely disagree with you, ACL. Coming out of bankruptcy and then acting as if our bankruptcy/emergency pay is the new norm and we don't expect much more than that going forward... and then doing that for FOUR YEARS (holy cow!)... well, I see that as a strategic mistake of epic proportions. It completely sends the wrong message to any parties with any possible interest (i.e. management, BOD, Wall Street, etc.) and it has had an extremely negative effect on the expectations of many in our pilot group. How can you possibly see it any other way?

And as far as the "words used." Well how else do you say that we are being compensated at bankruptcy levels, bankruptcy was over a long time ago, and we expect to be restored? I don't see anyway to walk on eggshells and effectively communicate that message. It can be done in a professional, respectful way... and this is exactly what I've been advocating. But it can't be done by tap dancing around it. We're all big boys and girls, and so is management. If this "relationship that Moak built" is so solid, then it will withstand a frank discussion of expectations.

Excellent post. Excellent!

Carl

georgetg 08-30-2011 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1046727)
Seems like everybody is. I guess that's fine, but the rules on dropping trips needs to be changed contractually if this is going to continue. I'll say this again too... SWAPPING BETWEEN BASES IS NOT THE SOLUTION

T, you are spot on on this.

Basically if all category flying is governed by ALV across all bases, then the reserve required formula should also be across all bases.

It's not fair to have everybody flying their tail of, with no chance to swap. While the same category has 3x the reserves required and everybody just sitting around at another...

The solution is not in adjusting the swapping, but to adjusting either the reserves required or the ALV methodology to use the same metric.

Said another way:
ALV and reserves required formula across all bases
or
ALV and reserves required formula per base

Cheers
George

tsquare 08-30-2011 01:32 PM


Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1046748)
T, you are spot on on this.

Basically if all category flying is governed by ALV across all bases, then the reserve required formula should also be across all bases.

It's not fair to have everybody flying their tail of, with no chance to swap. While the same category has 3x the reserves required and everybody just sitting around at another...

The solution is not in adjusting the swapping, but to adjusting either the reserves required or the ALV methodology to use the same metric.

Said another way:
ALV and reserves required formula across all bases
or
ALV and reserves required formula per base

Cheers
George

Thank you!! I was starting to think I was twisting in the wind on this....

Carl Spackler 08-30-2011 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1046732)
Hey Carl,

This is probably the most honest and revealing post on this subject todayCheck is a great guy and he's absolutely correct in this post. This is how it is with many of our pilots.

It is a revealing post and Check is indeed a great guy. Many pilots probably feel this way, but MOST don't. But that's not the real issue IMO. Pilot opinion is built by data. Our union is the main source of data that used to be as reliable as it got. Now, our union just re-posts data given to them by management from the closed door meetings.

The fact we have any pilots at all that do not think of scope as the #1 priority is ALPA's fault. I'll bet there's not a single pilot who thinks cabotage is unimportant. Why? Because ALPA has done a good job giving us the information on the dangers. Why won't ALPA give out the same information on the dangers of scope erosion? It would do so much to galvanize opinion on scope and enhance unity, but ALPA refuses. Why is that Bar? Why not an all-out communications assault on scope erosion similar to cabotage?

The answer is clear, but it's too painful for some to admit.

Carl

georgetg 08-30-2011 01:36 PM

How about a small addition to Section 1

All Delta flights performed by pilots other than Delta seniority list pilots exist solely to provide feed for flights operated by Delta pilots.

If we don't do that, what's to stop Delta from codesharing and placing pax on AA to go to DFW and UAL to go to IAD "because we wouldn't want to compete in those markets", the way we do with AS on the West Coast.

Cheers
George

NuGuy 08-30-2011 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1046648)
Who could not see this coming.

I would consider any press-releases at this point in time to be suspect.

You need to consider the environment, and everything that has to do with AT and SWA is potentially negotiating-in-the-press for the SLI.

Nu

buzzpat 08-30-2011 02:05 PM

Hey guys, sorry to interrupt the flow here but, quick question. A buddy of mine asked today and I can't remember how it works.

If he flies a regular schedule in September, that includes a spillover trip at the end of the month, and bids reserve October, does he get paid for the spillover time above the reserve guarantee, does it credit his bank, or does it simply count towards the reserve guarantee in October? Thanks.


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