The JCBA was grandfathered Delta scope with snippets of NWA scope. The best lawyers in the industry overlooked that very important portion of NW scope.

Brilliant!

Thank you both.

Funny - non of those airlines have RJs or subcontracted operations. Coincidence?

Even if you are reserve you do not have to talk to crew Sched to deviate at the end of a rotation. The VRU is all that is needed to advise not ask.

Agree totally, but I'm pretty sure that since bankruptcy she hasnt been trolling for pilots....

They get paid?

Well it doesn't matter, I edited the quote for the hotel reason but I edit all of Ferds posts when I quote him to say something tremendously inappropriate. It's fun.

But I was voted in high school as the least likely to be a line check airman and automatically that means least likely to be an internet moderator.I wouldn't be any better at moderating then I would doing line checks. But if I was giving a line check, I'm the guy you'd want. [green smile face]... unless you **** me off then I go all passive aggressive.

Besides I want to yell at those idiots on airliners.net but thankfully you have to pay to join and I don't want to. I love the guy who posted all mad that AMR has to get permission from the pilots to break their contract and someone added in later that regionals hire pilots that don't even have a commercial license- they get it at the end of their IOE. Man, I wish I wasn't on a tight budget... I'd go in there swinging.

http://cj.mf.io/uploads/2008/05/duty_calls1.png

Besides, I don't mind getting infractions for posting Soparnos YouTube videos of gangsters having lawn mower wars to prove a point. :)

One thing I wonder is - what position does Swelbar want the Mainline pilot to have in the industry? Does he just want us to get out of the way so that the whole piloting profession can be outsourced?

From my back of the napkin calculations, paying a pilot [even at mainline wages] seems to be a very small percentage of the cost an airline flight. Is the concept that airline management needs every nickle in order to compete?

It seems like labor is more and more being used as a "solution" to past poor management decisions. The airlines that exist today that are very successful (SWA, Emirates, Ryanair, etc) are successful because of excellent management, not because of labor give-backs. And all these airlines pay well - at all levels. (I'm not positive about Ryanair).

I know that at Delta we have a high debt load - from both the downturn after 9/11 and other poor decision (fuel hedging, probably aircraft financing in the past, etc) - and Richard and the current management team is trying to fix that. But is labor basically paying for the sins of past management, because we can't leave and they could?

In a word: YES

Iaflyer,
On your paper napkin write down one other airline- FedEx. An airline that pays a second year Airbus FO $144 an hour.

And the best part, no nagging FAs like Swelbar to tell you to throw your contract and YOUR airline under the bus.

LMAO its a good thing I'm on an overnight because thats what I look like when my wife starts yelling at me at night. ;)