I'm pretty senior, and I'm definitely NOT okay with 15%. The guys I've spoken with who are in my seniority range are also expecting a heck of a lot more, too.

 

This military guy with a pension is NOT ok with 15%. I'm definitely expecting much, much more.

 

Is anyone else having an issue logging into ICREW with their Android phone? It allows me to enter my employee number, but after inputing a couple characters in the password window, it automatically tries to log in before I can finish entering the complete password. I'm using the Dolphin browser.

It was working perfectly last week.

 

Acl, congrats on post #15,000

 

In iCrew ONLY, using the Dolphin browser make sure you enter your password as ALL CAPS. If you use lower case it gets interpreted as conntrol characters.

 

Toga,

I think you're spot on. As I've showed my schedule and pay to Active duty guys, I've watched a career at a major go from being plan B to plan C in their eyes.

The simple fact of the matter is that even senior FO pay at delta is a good bit less than what is immediately available to them in other areas. With respect to pay, QOL, and career stability, there are much better opportunities. With a security clearance, the resume, and the flexibility the GI bill gives you, going to the airlines is a tough sell. I would say less than half even show interest in the airlines.

I have to say I've been totally impressed with the younger civvies I got hired with, but career wise they are a different animal in ways that I'm sure management is aware of. I started navy OCS right out of college and winged at 25. I got hired with some folks that were that same age starting off at delta! Younger folks are generally willing to work harder for less, and I have to admit that my civilian buds I've met here have a more positive attitude towards our current level of compensation. I also think it's safe to say that with the civilian flight training path comes less career options, in aviation or otherwise than the military. Dependence on the company is something easily exploitable by management. Military guys with PIC time, a retirement, or a reserve job are much more able to act as free agents, or switch carriers or careers altogether. I think that due to the rigors of life as a regional FO, most of the civvies don't get their side gig up and running until later down the road.

Not bashing civilian dudes, just some guesses as to how management sees us. The list of how management has Jedi mind tricked us mil dudes is too long to post

 

twoop (thats +1 for all you non-military guys)

ok, maybe

but:
with a 6:30 minimum day
double a vacation day
double a training day
double the international overrede
night premium
lots more per diem
1.5x over the ALV AND 2x Greenslips to get the schedulers out of trouble
what ever else I'm missing work rules wise......ie underboob bonus on APC

Ferd

PS Buzz did you send in your ballot yet? I need to lobby you about WB for FO rep.

 

Ferd

I've already been lobbied. Sounds like my kind of guy.

 

Berry Nice

Ferd <-----he sayz as he heads for SEA

 

Would you consider a 9th year Delta Connection FO with 7200 hours "jumping ahead" of a 3rd year Delta Connection Captain with 2800 hours?

Or, put another way, should I ditch my 2003 hire date at Comair and spend a year in the left seat at GoJetsss?

Would that move make me worthy of a major airline career?