Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1078610)

There was a big jump forward in the seniority list released today, about 84 numbers for me. I saw some folks earlier today questioning where those folks went.

I just went through the prior seniority and category lists, and todays Nov 11 list and compared them, finding where the differences are. It is mostly FURLOUGHED PILOTS dropping off the list.

The furloughed list says that from the date of furlough (1 Nov 2001 for the original 400 this decade), you have 10 years to seek re-employment and inform Delta you are available for training. Today is 1 Nov, and counting up from the bottom of the list, I found roughly 70 folks on the furloughed list that I estimate are from the original 400 furloughed on 1 Nov 01, who have now dropped off, and are not back with the company.

So, it's really a "paper increase", no real gain and no-one flying actually dropping off the list, just list-fillers that haven't actually been here and flying for a long time.


I believe we will see another move forward in the next few months as MIL LEAVE folks drop off the list also. Almost all the furloughs were recalled in Nov 06, with the last folks being recalled in Jan 07 I think, maybe Feb. In any case, Nov 06 was 5 years ago... anyone who accepted furlough recall and then went on MIL LEAVE, who has NOT come back, runs out of their 5 year USERRA recall/return rights about now, with everyone done by Feb 12 I'd think. With 334 currently NBC/MIL Leave pilots, of which almost all have seniority numbers indicating they were in the furlough group, I would expect a large number of them to exceed their 5 year limit and begin to drop off the list.

Of the furloughed pilots, there's still 212 left on the list, and I'm not sure why many are still there; I know for certain that many of them I see were in the original 1 Nov 11 furlough, and have not come back. I've heard rumor that there was a possible extension to this 10 year furlough return limit, but I have not been able to find it in the PWA; the only thing I did see said there was a 10 year limit. Maybe alfa or sailing or someone expert in the PWA and it's changes might shed some light on this.

Hate to see folks drop off like that, but I'd guess it means they've gone on to bigger/better/mo $$ things.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1078641)

Delta has never enforced the 5 year rule. Most agree with that although some have a problem with guys going on 10 years of mil leave and then returning as Captains with a full military retirement.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1078757)

If Comair or ASA or some regional of ours went on strike then doesn't the union monitor the routes and so forth to prevent us from flying struck work. Wouldn't the union keep track of this as well?

Such that if AF shifted over to DAL as long as we didn't up gauge a route we'd be compliant? I'd have to assume (DALPA) is monitoring this and assume we're not replacing them until we hear otherwise.

But it doesn't bode well for future strikes when JV and Skyteam can assist the lift but are we really replacing them?

Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1078729)

When inflation starts to pick up in a couple years, we'll be able to get 50% raises with each 4 or 5 year contract easily so who cares about outsourced flying. :eek:

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1078641)

Delta has never enforced the 5 year rule. Most agree with that although some have a problem with guys going on 10 years of mil leave and then returning as Captains with a full military retirement.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1078736)

The real skill is not getting something as much as it is keeping it.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1078654)

I might leave if I win $245M powerball.

But then again my plan is to keep that secret. So I might not leave. But I may drop a lot of stuff. Could you do that? I mean $245M is out there but say you won a lottery or something and were pulling down $500K on an annuity and didn't want to quit but you'd like to fly once a month. Just become a REG pilot and drop trips?

How does that work?

Originally Posted by Ragtop Day (Post 1078806)

It can be done...as long as there is enough res coverage to allow the drops. I know a few mid to low level lineholders that drop their entire line down to 0 hours and then whiteslip the "good" trips as they fall into open time. A risky strategy (unless you have $245M in the bank), but it seems to work pretty good for them.