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Old 11-02-2011 | 02:28 PM
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Can anyone tell me what days in Dec end up being "unstacked"? I assume the 25th, and maybe the 24th and 26th... Does anyone remember from previous years what other days have issues? Maybe the 31st?

In Nov, I was surprised that only 24th (Thanksgiving) and 25th got unstacked in my category, and the furthest the unstack went was 9% up the line-holders list. I had expected maybe 40%, and a lot more days around the holiday.

Thanks for any thoughts on this!
Old 11-02-2011 | 02:43 PM
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Roll Inverted said: "What if the gear handle wouldn`t come down? It`s been so long since I`ve been in a 76 cockpit, I can`t remember anything."


I don't believe the gear handle is required to be in the down position to get the gear to free fall down. With a center hydraulic system failure, the alternate gear extension procedure is started with the gear handle in the OFF position to alleviate any center system trapped pressure; however, when the ALTN GEAR EXTEND switch is pressed, the gear free falls into position regardless of gear handle position. The gear lever is then moved to the down position to eliminate gear disagree indications. I'm not certain, but I think Jughead is correct, the gear handle lock over ride switch only unlocks the gear handle so it may be moved to the up position if a ground sensor (squat switch) fails in flight. Although I suppose it could jam somehow, I don't believe there are any locks preventing the gear handle from being moved to the down position.

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Old 11-02-2011 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
I got that off airlinepilotcentral.com, I'll redo it if you or anyone has their full pay tables. was it in that FL welcome packet?
Yes, the full pay tables are in the Air Tran welcome packet (see below). Reserve guarantee is 90 TFP.

Pay Year
Captain
First Officer
1
$163.98
$49.19

2
$165.97
$82.99

3
$168.00
$92.40

4
$169.99
$101.99

5
$171.88
$111.72

6
$174.02
$116.60

7
$176.03
$119.70

8
$178.03
$122.84

9
$180.04
$124.23

10
$182.04
$127.43

11
$184.06
$128.84

12
$186.06
$130.24
Old 11-02-2011 | 03:03 PM
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I erased this duplicate

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Old 11-02-2011 | 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
In a couple of years? The Bernanke went on record last week saying he was willing to allow inflation to go up to get people back to work. There is a big divide within the fed's board over this.
Agreed. In the end they will have no choice but to sumbit to either massive, immediate austerity measures to the welfare/warfare machines that the left and the right will never do, or to simply print the money. They are printing it now anyway, but they are finding buyers for it. When that ends we will all eat a huge load of stagflation lasting years. Before they wise up, they will print more money trying to "stimulate" their way out of it, making things worse in the process, making the already bad even worse before it finally gets better.

The talking heads will pimp their "market cycle" theory and keynsean fraudnomics 24/7 for years without challenge from the elites in the media and academia, and the pension mongers in congress will rubber stamp whatever comes their way.

The American people have already been directly threatened with martial law (despite the fact that it does not legally exist) by Berkane and Geithner if we don't automatically pass whatever 5000 page bill du jour nobody's read that suddenly appeared on everyone's desk for a morning vote the next day, and we've fallen for it every time.

We've seen the biggest poitical shift in congress in 70 years last year over the out of control spending, yet nothing has changed. Both sides squabble over a fraction of one percent, then settle on even less.

So yes, we are going to absolutely feast on inflation. The definiton of inflation has been modified over the years to hide the true cost to the people and its about to be modified again to further hide its effects.

I was just being sarcastic with the "raise over the life of" nonsense that ALPA and the company constantly try to sell us on. Double digit inflation for a few years could mean we get 50% raises over the life of a typical 4 or 5 year contract and still lose buying power. No one knows this better than RA with his work on the ATL fed board of governors. He even specifically mentioned stagflation as both a general economic threat as well as a specific industry issue in a very recent letter to the employees.

Whatever happens with C2012, I will not sit idly by and let a malevolent management and/or an incompetent union leadership sell their "raise over the life of" snake oil propaganda without making sure at least reasonable, average to expected inflation, compounded yearly, is 100% backed out of any and all claims of "raise over the life of". Its time we own how this debate is framed.

If we as a group settle for less, then we settle for less. Shame on us to be sure, but there is no way we are going to allow us to settle for anything while calling it more than it is.

In any case, getting back to the timeline, I'm not sure when its really going to start picking up, as it depends on many factors that haven't fully played out yet. The core causes of inflation are happening right now, so its acceleration is a certainty. The only question is when. Our dollar bubble and debt bubbles will really start popping when we are no longer able to monetize the debt to foreign creditors and they stop buying it. By then we will be in the 15-20 trillion range (not even including long term unfunded obligations) and the interest alone to service what we have, even assuming a permantly balanced budget at that point [yeah right, as if!] will exceed the Reagan defense budgets on a yearly basis. We are seeing inflation now, but the talking heads are denying it because they are hiding behind revamped economic sophistry imbibed definitions, but we will really be dealing with it in the near future. That's why I said in a couple years, but I agree we're not doing ourselves any favors right now either.
Old 11-02-2011 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Waves
Clamp,

You are precisely correct. I had totally forgotten that they had dumped fuel. That completely eliminates the electrical failure idea.
Here's proof they still had main bus electrical power. The landing lights, strobes and beacon are on:

Old 11-02-2011 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Agreed. In the end they will have no choice but to sumbit to either massive, immediate austerity measures to the welfare/warfare machines that the left and the right will never do, or to simply print the money. They are printing it now anyway, but they are finding buyers for it. When that ends we will all eat a huge load of stagflation lasting years. Before they wise up, they will print more money trying to "stimulate" their way out of it, making things worse in the process, making the already bad even worse before it finally gets better.

The talking heads will pimp their "market cycle" theory and keynsean fraudnomics 24/7 for years without challenge from the elites in the media and academia, and the pension mongers in congress will rubber stamp whatever comes their way.

The American people have already been directly threatened with martial law (despite the fact that it does not legally exist) by Berkane and Geithner if we don't automatically pass whatever 5000 page bill du jour nobody's read that suddenly appeared on everyone's desk for a morning vote the next day, and we've fallen for it every time.

We've seen the biggest poitical shift in congress in 70 years last year over the out of control spending, yet nothing has changed. Both sides squabble over a fraction of one percent, then settle on even less.

So yes, we are going to absolutely feast on inflation. The definiton of inflation has been modified over the years to hide the true cost to the people and its about to be modified again to further hide its effects.

I was just being sarcastic with the "raise over the life of" nonsense that ALPA and the company constantly try to sell us on. Double digit inflation for a few years could mean we get 50% raises over the life of a typical 4 or 5 year contract and still lose buying power. No one knows this better than RA with his work on the ATL fed board of governors. He even specifically mentioned stagflation as both a general economic threat as well as a specific industry issue in a very recent letter to the employees.

Whatever happens with C2012, I will not sit idly by and let a malevolent management and/or an incompetent union leadership sell their "raise over the life of" snake oil propaganda without making sure at least reasonable, average to expected inflation, compounded yearly, is 100% backed out of any and all claims of "raise over the life of". Its time we own how this debate is framed.

If we as a group settle for less, then we settle for less. Shame on us to be sure, but there is no way we are going to allow us to settle for anything while calling it more than it is.
Gloop, you are one of the few dudes on here I agree with on almost ny issue. IMHO, it's going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better. We are already over the slippery slope.
Old 11-02-2011 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
I saw 3 or 4 in Narita last week, I think they are going to Bankok, DTW, and a couple other places, but not sure, check the DTW 747 bid package.

The funniest part of my entire 6 day trip was spending about the first two hours of the leg home (NRT-ATL) listening to some UAL clown at 320, crying on 123.45 about "...all these Slow Movers up ahead, Holding US down!"

He must have asked about 4 different airplanes, at 330, 340, 350, 360, if they could all climb...so HE could get to 340!

It's all about him, obviously!
I think he's my next door neighbor. Sounds just like him.
Old 11-02-2011 | 03:24 PM
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Excellent! Thanks Essential. In my opinion, it's not looking too good for this crew, but then I don't have all of the facts. At this point, it's just speculation on my part.
Old 11-02-2011 | 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Waves
Roll Inverted said: "What if the gear handle wouldn`t come down? It`s been so long since I`ve been in a 76 cockpit, I can`t remember anything."


I don't believe the gear handle is required to be in the down position to get the gear to free fall down. With a center hydraulic system failure, the alternate gear extension procedure is started with the gear handle in the OFF position to alleviate any center system trapped pressure; however, when the ALTN GEAR EXTEND switch is pressed, the gear free falls into position regardless of gear handle position. The gear lever is then moved to the down position to eliminate gear disagree indications. I'm not certain, but I think Jughead is correct, the gear handle lock over ride switch only unlocks the gear handle so it may be moved to the up position if a ground sensor (squat switch) fails in flight. Although I suppose it could jam somehow, I don't believe there are any locks preventing the gear handle from being moved to the down position.
This is exactly correct. So we know the airplane had electrical power from the lights being on in the video. And if the gear handle couldn't be moved to the down position, the freefall system should work. And that's even with a hydraulic system failure. So if it was none of this, and not a single one of the gear was even partially down, what might have caused this?
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