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11-04-2011, 02:11 PM

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Bucking Bar

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Originally Posted by slowplay

So when Moak was chair everyone whined that he was autocratic, not inclusive, yadda yadda. Now O'Malley is chair and he's weak and led by committees.

Do I have that right?

While you write that someone else is yelling at me Tim O'Malley was autocratic and signed MOU 14 all by himself without input.

I will say trying to comprehend Section 1. P. makes my head hurt, "inter alia," ouch. So I guess I will complain about that.

11-04-2011, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Under our current system Tim is free of blame.

11-04-2011, 02:17 PM

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Bill Lumberg

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Originally Posted by slowplay

Nope, not a rep. And I didn't know you were so weak that your expectations could be "managed" with this discussion.

btw, I just included SWA and FedEx in my discussion. Tough getting off the donut website talking points, isn't it...

Yeah, that guy with the website, no results, and checkered legal advice is the panacea you seek...

You sure sound like a rep, and that DPA guy has plenty of legit people
already working on recruitment, which is growing by the day. If the eventual TA isn't good, look for a vote soon after. It's great you discount almost 4000 pilots who are obviously disgruntled.(sounds like ALPA to me) Oh, you forgot about them.... And that number will grow. Tell the other reps that please. And are my expectations easily managed by this discussion, or the fact that reps are repeating what you are saying? That's the scary part. Look, tell the negotiators and your bosses to get us
a great TA, ok? Why do you say Donut people on here, too? Are you scared the DALPA forum people may get mad at you like they do in Hanger Talk? Don't be scared....

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11-04-2011, 02:29 PM

#79464

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I really think ALPA will push for a good chunk of more money. They are greedy too and the more money we make the more dues they get!

11-04-2011, 02:31 PM

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johnso29

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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg

You must be a rep, because this the same stuff they are saying in the Q&A sessions. Watch out for the NMB, don't compare us to SWA or FedEx, yada yada yada. It's called managing expectations, and apparently it is scripted via a high ranking ALPA member. That guy with the website has almost 4000 Delta pilots behind him, but go ahead and minimize that, Wilson Polling sure doesn't. That is why ALPA needs to go. The good thing is the DPA is gaining momentum, and a bad first TA via ALPA could push the DPA cards in via waves. It's all about results this time, and Delta's finances are better, (including $952 million in bag fees last year) so that excuse won't work. ALPA could lose the $38 million in dues from Delta each year, and YOU know it. Put out a great TA, or expect the vote. I can't wait. Either ALPA gives us a TA worthy to vote on with no excuses, or we can vote for something different, and with the second round of consolidation coming up (not my words, a high level guy's, even more leverage btw) there is no excuse.

I wouldnt say he has almost 4000 pilots behind him. I think the more appropriate statement is that almost 4000 pilots have submitted a DPA card. Whether all are behind him is a entirely different argument.

I'm not trying to call you out. I'm merely pointing out the very good possibility that some guys submitted the DPA card solely to poke ALPA in the eye. Some would likely still vote NO for DPA.

11-04-2011, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by slowplay

Yeah, that guy with the website, no results, and checkered legal advice is the panacea you seek...

You sure sound like a rep, and that DPA guy has plenty of legit people already working on recruitment, which is growing by the day. If the eventual TA isn't good, look for a vote soon after. It's great you discount almost 4000 pilots who are obviously disgruntled. Oh, you forgot about them.... And that number will grow. Tell the other reps that please. And are my expectations easily managed by this discussion, or the fact that reps are repeating what you are saying? That's the scary part. Look, tell the negotiators and your bosses to get us a great TA, ok? You sound like their point guy, or spin doctor. Big profits means big payday, or new agent to represent. Keep forgetting about the almost 4000 who have already decided they want a vote on the matter.

11-04-2011, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by johnso29

That's a fair point.

But without polling we really have no idea. There are probably pilots out there who have not gotten off their couch to print a card, grab a stamp and mail it but would vote out ALPA. It'd be interesting to hear a legit poll of where pilots sit.

Question, is this the first section 6 for either airline with nearly 1/3 of the pilots signing a card for another union? I'd guess so.

11-04-2011, 02:47 PM

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Question, is this the first section 6 for either airline with nearly 1/3 of the pilots signing a card for another union?

Nope. After every merger/acquisition we've had an attempt for a new bargaining agent. PER (pilots for equitable representation) was the first I remember, but there was no Section 6 active when they were around. Then came PPA. They got cards representing 42% and helped create the environment for our POS96 contract.