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Old 11-30-2011 | 09:51 AM
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You wouldn't believe it but they've got an entire t-shirt, sweat shirt, bag line with this picture on it. I hope the person who thought it up put a copywrite on it.

Heh, this still makes me chuckle.

What a nation we've become.

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Old 11-30-2011 | 09:58 AM
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AGH! It touched me!

Old 11-30-2011 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
We're a full day into Snowmageddon 2011. What is the ATL death toll up to?


stay tuned... it could change at any moment as the sun has come out and there are clear skies, a troubling sign of things to come...
Old 11-30-2011 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
Forget additional schooling. Right now if you want to make some serious $$$ just go to North Dakota. If your willing to work, you can make enough to turn Delta into a part time gig within a couple years.
Heard of a cop that went there. He is making 6X as much as he did as a cop. Also heard that the big oil companies are chartering ERJs and 328Js on daily flights to a few cities up there as they shuttle workers to/from their tours of work in the oil fields.
Old 11-30-2011 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
The problem with school these days, especially as you get older, is there is practically no way to get a return on the money.

Law school, even at your local no-name diploma mill is $$$. Figure $25k a year at an absolute minimum for 3 years, and that doesn't include books, fees or any of the myriad other little items that crop up. You MIGHT be able to do better if you can get into an "in state" school situation if you're local to a state school, but you're still talking about 18k or more, just for tuition. $35k a year for 3 years is a good, workable number.

But there are no jobs. At all. An attorney friend who happens to be on his school's alumni committee reports nearly %60 under- or unemployment by their recent grads.

Med school is in orbit and takes a minimum of 7 years. Once past 38-40, there's virtually no way to amortize the cost over a normal career. It's not rocket science once you get in, but you need to really work up the volunteer hours before you try. Unless you get into a decent specialty, the ability to make a decent return on your money is zero.

PhDs are doable, and cheap. If you're not a complete idiot, and have undergrad degrees in something worthwhile (think math, the HARD sciences, or engineering), then you can get a free ride, plus a stiepend (25-30k a year, plus health). Competition has gone WAY up, though, but being a US citizen is a real plus. But it's 7 years to get that ticket, realistically, and the chances of making $100k+ a year are very, very slim.

You can do an on-line MBA, but they're a dime a dozen. Good luck getting your money out of that.

Nor should you discount the loss of wages, benefits or other "opportunity costs" while you diddle in school.

If you can get a rich spouse to cover you while in school, have a fat inheritance, or don't have family entanglements, can pay cash, or just feel like doing something else, then rock on.

Note that this applies to those over 40. If you are 25-35, the numbers change considerably.

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NuGuy,

I would suggest an alternative course of action. This is what I did. Learn to invest and trade. Become a self-directed investor. Make your money work efficiently for you. It will take time, proper education and effort to become competent. It is well worth doing and not beyond any of our abilities. Don't let some other chump take care of your hard earned money. Do it yourself.

That is my plan B. I am getting pretty good at it. But, it took DAL's bankruptcy for me to get serious about it. I make consistent money in up markets, down markets and sideways markets. I don't mean to brag, that's not the purpose of this post. But, I am consistently making more each month with my investments than I am flying. I will be able to do this in retirement, too. I can't quit at this point because a lot of my money is in tax deferred accounts. I'm too young to access it.

So, empower yourself. Learn to invest. If you want some help, contact me privately and I will give you some guidance.
Old 11-30-2011 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Dakota Kid
Heard of a cop that went there. He is making 6X as much as he did as a cop. Also heard that the big oil companies are chartering ERJs and 328Js on daily flights to a few cities up there as they shuttle workers to/from their tours of work in the oil fields.
3.5% unemployment in ND.

13.4% in MI.
10.2% in GA.
13.4% in NV.

Review & Outlook: The Non-Green Jobs Boom - WSJ.com

And Ohio I thought was poised to join ND...
Old 11-30-2011 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by cni187
Free Pizza at the FBO in Moblie AL, Girls in bikinis in a golf cart in Alliance-Ft Worth, $1 Crawfish Etouffee at Chennault in Lake Charles. Those were the days!
We used to get the free pizza in MOB with a Skyhawk. That was great. I called in an ERJ one day there and the offer wasn't extended to airlines.
Old 11-30-2011 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
Just a note about that accident in Arizona where the private plane hit the mountains outside Phoenix. The surviving mother (who wasn't in the plane) who lost her kids is a Delta LAX based Flight attendant.

If you're interested in providing sympathy or assistance, there is info on the IFS page of DeltaNet.
I don't know if words could convey the horror of such a situation.

The youtube video showed that plane flying straight in level into the mountain and to think you're watching three children enjoying an airplane flight...

it's just heart breaking.
Old 11-30-2011 | 10:45 AM
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but to be honest, most all untimely deaths are whether they happen in our field or just every day life.

Then there are some you can celebrate, like John Couey's from Florida. I sure hope they gave him placebo's for his pain medication. I know vengeance is the Lord's, but I sure as heck would've hurried up that meeting.

Oh and to make this relevant to Delta, damn glad to be here and working with you keyboard warriors.

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Old 11-30-2011 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
Just a note about that accident in Arizona where the private plane hit the mountains outside Phoenix. The surviving mother (who wasn't in the plane) who lost her kids is a Delta LAX based Flight attendant.

If you're interested in providing sympathy or assistance, there is info on the IFS page of DeltaNet.
I understand that the pilot was her x and he worked for USAir. Sad indeed.
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