Since our negotiations will start about 9 months prior to the amendable date, that leaves about a year of negotiations. That is much sooner than the NMB normally gets involved. The only reason it will be a year afterwards in our case (assuming we don't have an agreement) is that we've written that into our contract. Without that, the NMB would not get involved until somebody tries to declare an impasse...which is normally a number of years worth of negotiations.

Therefore, everything I've stated about this process regarding the NMB is entirely accurate. But feel free to continue making a fool of yourself.

Carl

In preparation for negotiations the MEC is meeting with the NMB in January 2012....

But feel free to continue making a fool of yourself. You're a natural, assistant groundskeeper!:p

First Officer:

Well, I thought I heard tower say "Cleared for takeoff, Runway Six Zero."

BAD CHECKRIDE REPORT

Grade: Fail

Reason: Pilot fell out of the decision tree and hit every branch on the way down.

New Flight/Duty Time reg scheduled to be released today. Hold onto your hats!

That's exactly what it be followed by me going :eek: when she says let me see what you post. :D

Is meeting the NMB in preparations for negotiations the same as getting the NMB involved? I mean on January 2012 DALPA is not going to present openers before theyre presented to the company?

So really, is this getting the NMB involved in negotiations or getting a lay of the land like a SWA style ATC pizza party? Because in the end these are lawyers, theyre taught to say and write nothing in 500 words or more, what are they going to do but listen? And listening isn't involving, unless you want to explain more about what will go on?

Or is this just expressing a desire to fast track to binding arbitration? That makes me worried tha there is a desire to be relieved from blame ASAP.

See every football team meets with the referees prior to kickoff for an informal meeting about expectations and possible trick plays. it's not the same as arguing that the other team is playing dirty on that play, was offsides, that catch was incomplete and their cheerleaders are distracting the kicker so throw the flag please! None of that invovelement can be given until the authority is given.

Please....

Really? The NMB getting involved in negotiations prior to negotiations would be the first I've ever heard. You post that meeting schedule and the topics that involve our negotiations and I'll gladly admit I'm wrong.

Carl

quick duty question
 

on short call reserve: we do not have to exceed the max contractual duty day listed on rotation plus 2 hours right? thx