Outstanding! I'm on-board with your thinking. Let us not forget, we ARE working under a concessionary contract (albeit with some improvements, and thank-you Negotiating Committee for those). Of course we don't negotiate in a vacuum, but SOMEBODY has to let the "air" back into this vacuum vessel we find ourselves in. Let it be us. The pilots of Delta Airlines. I sincerely hope that it is under the banner of Delta ALPA, in THIS section 6 negotiation process.
Regards,
Chuck

Don't get too excited, Just flew with a guy (Captain since year 5) who "just wants to keep getting yearly raises," "can't believe they pay me to do this" and "wife does our budget". He also didn't think scope was a big deal because, "I only have 5 years left". Hopefully the minority.

01-15-2012 | 10:10 AM

#85822

dragon

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Joined: Oct 2006

Posts: 1,601

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From: Dismayed

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg

Don't forget minimum day, like a calendar day, of 5:15 minimum for flying, training, and vacation.

How about rounding it up to an even 6:00 per calendar day including training and vacation?

01-15-2012 | 10:21 AM

#85823

shiznit

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Joined: Feb 2009

Posts: 2,642

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From: right for a long, long time

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragon

How about rounding it up to an even 6:00 per calendar day including training and vacation?

I like this.....

01-15-2012 | 10:38 AM

#85824

Ferd149

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Joined: Apr 2008

Posts: 3,457

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From: LAX ERA

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragon

How about rounding it up to an even 6:00 per calendar day including training and vacation?

yup..............

01-15-2012 | 10:39 AM

#85825

Ferd149

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Joined: Apr 2008

Posts: 3,457

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From: LAX ERA

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg

Well maybe you get to go somewhere fun, like BKK or HNL? That's got to be a vacation, right?

Actually no, but thanks for your help

01-15-2012 | 10:51 AM

#85826

Ferd149

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Posts: 3,457

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From: LAX ERA

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferd149

Ok bidding experts........what does pulled during shuffle mean? It was my number one choice and looks like it was still on the board, I'm confused. 65 hour line, I should have sat reserve

1. Start Pairings
2. Prefer Off Feb 11, 2012, Feb 12, 2012, Feb 13, 2012
Honored
3. Set Condition Minimum Base Layover 096:00
Honored
4. Award Pairings If Pairing Number 3573
Pulled during shuffle: 1
(0 Awarded, 1 Matching, Running total: 000:00)
5. Award Pairings If Pairing Number 3802
Awarded to senior bidder: 1
(0 Awarded, 1 Matching, Running total: 000:00)
6. Award Pairings If Pairing Number 3509
Filtered by bid number 2: 1
(0 Awarded, 1 Matching, Running total: 000:00)
7. Award Pairings If Pairing Number 3804
3804 2012-02-18 22:25 2012-02-28 12:35 (065:46) (B)
(1 Awarded, 1 Matching, Running total: 065:46)
8. Award Pairings If Pairing Number 3533
Awarded to senior bidder: 1
(0 Awarded, 1 Matching, Running total: 065:46)

Nevermind, figured it out. I thought it was a higher time trip than it was, it's not and below the line construction window. Then I gave it nothing that it could use to get inside the LCW. Oh well.........

01-15-2012 | 10:54 AM

#85827

BusDrvr

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Joined: Sep 2009

Posts: 129

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferd149

Ok bidding experts........what does pulled during shuffle mean? It was my number one choice and looks like it was still on the board, I'm confused. 65 hour line, I should have sat reserve

1. Start Pairings
2. Prefer Off Feb 11, 2012, Feb 12, 2012, Feb 13, 2012
Honored
3. Set Condition Minimum Base Layover 096:00
Honored
4. Award Pairings If Pairing Number 3573
Pulled during shuffle: 1
(0 Awarded, 1 Matching, Running total: 000:00)
5. Award Pairings If Pairing Number 3802
Awarded to senior bidder: 1
(0 Awarded, 1 Matching, Running total: 000:00)
6. Award Pairings If Pairing Number 3509
Filtered by bid number 2: 1
(0 Awarded, 1 Matching, Running total: 000:00)
7. Award Pairings If Pairing Number 3804
3804 2012-02-18 22:25 2012-02-28 12:35 (065:46) (B)
(1 Awarded, 1 Matching, Running total: 065:46)
8. Award Pairings If Pairing Number 3533
Awarded to senior bidder: 1
(0 Awarded, 1 Matching, Running total: 065:46)

I'm no expert, and I don't understand what pulled during shuffle means, but that rotation was less credit than the LCW minimum. Perhaps it pulled that trip during the shuffle when it couldn't find any other trip to add to it to reach the LCW.

The rotation you were awarded reached the LCW minimum.

I suspect you would have been awarded your first choice if you would have put in a LLW bid request before your other rotation requests.

Welcome to your new juniority.

Looks like you figured it out while I was typing. I'm so fast on the keyboard, don't cha know.

Last edited by BusDrvr; 01-15-2012 at 10:58 AM. Reason: P.S.

01-15-2012 | 10:57 AM

#85828

Ferd149

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From: LAX ERA

Quote:

Originally Posted by BusDrvr

Yup, I think that's what happened too. Not only new juniority, but a category with no 1 or 2 day fillers.

01-15-2012 | 11:09 AM

#85829

tsquare

No longer cares

Joined: Mar 2008

Posts: 12,109

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From: 767er Captain

Quote:

Originally Posted by boog123

Every once in awhile I fly with a young guy that says "I have 25 years left, I don't care about retirement medical". I hope they are in the minority.

01-15-2012 | 11:16 AM

#85830

ExAF

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Joined: Oct 2006

Posts: 1,864

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From: Retired

Quote:

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

Looking like I'm going to be 0-2 today on who I wanted to win.

Me Too! My "season" ended this week. Started with the LSU abortion on Monday and ended with the Saints fumble fest yesterday. Glad I was flying and didn't have to watch! It would have been too painful. Looking forward to next year already.