Originally Posted by Jesse

My communication with my rep confirmed this, but leaned toward it most likely would be disclosed. Yeah, I know, basically non-commital.

Originally Posted by Professor

88, clearly you have either a grudge or serious man-crush on acl. If you want to go off half cocked about something that has been published a couple of times in union posts... Feel free. But someone bringing it to your attention isn't pushing an alternative agenda.

Clearly acl wants to be our MEC leadership eventually. And let's be honest, a person as well informed, engaged and straight with people should be welcomed. Or shot from long range with a management sniper rifle.

Either way, let us all pray we get what we all need and deserve as a pilot group on C2k12. And for this contract too.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Ya know ... when you got two minutes to start an engine, enter the AWABS, do a runway change, talk to the flight attendants and run 4 checklists while maintaining situational awareness and talking on the radio ... . stuff does happen. It is "pretty dang poor" to plan the operation that way, then express surprise that someone screws it up.

I'm (not by choice) becoming one of those old, cantankerous, got too much time in this seat kind of FO's (although I try to be polite about it) who says, "Hey Boss, I got to get caught up." Beats an error.

Originally Posted by Tomcat

I agree... Balloons will be floated.

Originally Posted by buzzpat

IMHO flight standards is attempting to regulate discipline. The FO putting the flaps down on the salute worked just fine. I still do it because some CA's don't have it in their cross check. That could explain some of it...but not catching the flap position on the taxi & before takeoff check?

In that same vein, I just flew with an LCA and we were experimenting (at the company's request) with combining the performance and taxi checks. It's even more convoluted and doesn't make sense. Hopefully, cooler heads will prevail because, in my mind, it's stupid.

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver

And as long as we're discussing ACL, I would agree with your description of "well informed" and "engaged." "Straight with people"... not so much. I prefer MEC leadership that has principles they are unwilling to compromise on and that does not change their principles with whichever the way the wind is blowing. Sorry.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Ya know ... when you got two minutes to start an engine, enter the AWABS, do a runway change, talk to the flight attendants and run 4 checklists while maintaining situational awareness and talking on the radio ... . stuff does happen. It is "pretty dang poor" to plan the operation that way, then express surprise that someone screws it up.

I'm (not by choice) becoming one of those old, cantankerous, got too much time in this seat kind of FO's (although I try to be polite about it) who says, "Hey Boss, I got to get caught up." Beats an error.

IMHO the checklist change made things WORSE, not better. Now I sit and wait for a command from the Captain which may, or may not, come. He might be busy. Meanwhile, I get busy. Then it gets forgotten until it is really embarrassing for everyone. The "do what you need to do when it needs doing" philosophy is safer, IMHO.

Think I'll just star putting flaps out, then apologizing for it. Cpt. JG will make me cycle the flaps just to prove he's in charge. Honey Badger ... .

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

Totally agreed on the first part, buzz.

Combining the taxi and performance checklists makes sense to me-- if it's done right. Was it weird because you weren't used to it or because it was poorly designed?

Originally Posted by Jughead

That's excellent - become one of those guys and don't let anyone or anything rush you - I assure you you will get the support if needed. There's an argument you've already won.
I realize things get frantic and time seems to compress, but really, unless I'm evacuating Saigon in a MD88, I don't get in a hurry for anything.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Wait a minute. You flew with pilots on our seniority list that are part of the MEC administration? It can't be. Everyone posts that these guys just collect FPL and never fly!