shoelu

A slight correction, I believe it is 4% for near international and the rest requires the consent of SWAPA.

Scoop

[QUOTE=forgot to bid;1123887]Bar, you had a good post here I just have a technical question about the above.

How do they know what the regionals brought in revenue wise? A ROA-ATL ticket is $860 on a CRJ2, a ROA-LAX ticket with a CRJ to ATL and then a 763 to LAX for $558.

So of that ticket, how much belongs to the DCI equation and how much to mainline? Someone could claim the DCI brought the ticket to ATL so they deserve a large amount of credit but had there not been a 767 going to LAX they wouldn't have come on the CRJ in the first place.


FTB,


Its simple, management can skew the numbers anyway they desire. If management wants to make DCI look good they would tend to inflate the revenue (within the discretion of generally accepted accounting principals - of course ) and minimize costs such as DAL gates, DAL agents, marketing, reservations, etc.

If they want to make DCI look bad, just reverse the procedure. It seems to me there are a lot of variables and a lot opportunity for subjectivity in these claims.

In other words - Just take their word for it.

Scoop

acl65pilot

I use one of DAL88's BS!


Factor in, not be the total deciding factor. Yes, DAL making money will come to play, and it will be significant, but so will AMR sitting in CH11.


Yeah, lets take their contract, have domestic only scope, all Reserve pilots on SC, Lance Capt's, 10% DC match. Really? I would prefer to pick and choose what we take from every contract. It would be very short sighted to take their contract in its entirety.

BS Carl, they are discussing all of it right now. Many things weigh on their minds and patterning above SWAPA is part of it. The charge, is how to do this with AMR sitting in court protection, and on a timeline that is acceptable to us the pilots. AMR not being in CH11 or not being around would be beneficial to our cause. Currently the reality is they are in court protection, and are not fragmented, ergo, you have to deal with that boat anchor and the fact that no one knows where their costs are going to land. That is reality. We could stomp our feet all day long, but the NMB will probably side with management until there is a better picture on what AMR's pilot costs are going to be. That is reality.

acl65pilot

Meet and confer Carl, not meet and agree.

acl65pilot

With your code, and there are ways around that.

acl65pilot

The one item I have changed position on is the conflict of interest at ALPA. I too know what I wrote. I ran on there being a conflict. After being told to look at it more closely, I did. The reality is there is not a conflict in the actual sense. It is a perceived conflict, and one that ALPA does a horrible job at correcting.

We negotiate our deals here, and not once has a mainline contract negotiation or TA been altered by pressure from National or the RJ guys exerting pressure for us to sell scope.

If the ALPA National president actually refused to sign a contract because it did not give up enough scope, or took some back, you may have a point, but to date that has not happened.

Other than that one issue, I still want to see change and reform at National, more transparency and member involvement at the local and MEC level, restoration and scope recapture.

And if you think I have had this lobotomy you speak of, you have been talking to the wrong people. Not everything ALPA does is wrong, hate to break it to you. We cannot just demand and get. Talk to your exalted SWAPA buddies about what they want, and then what they actually get.

gloopy

Exactly. They can launder money any way they see fit by moving the peanut under whatever shell they want to. The same is true with the AS code share abuse as long as both airlines agree what they want to get out fo the deal, they can "share revenue" creatively on connecting and non connecting flights by tinkering with "their end" of the revenue from connecting flights.

Columbia

R.I.P. Juan Luis Pedro Phillipo de Huevos Epstein

For those over 43 who grew up with the sweat hogs

Columbia

You got stock? I didn't get stock.

Doug Masters

But why have to meet?