Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1133927)

Then what do you propose? Doing nothing?

That might actually work.

Personally, I thought the unintended consequences of the rotation surveys would include the inability to agree on what a good mix would be, the fact that Carmen probably can look for a certain outcome, but probably not a "good mix", and the probability we'd end up fighting among ourselves, over something we can't agree on, or change.

I think the rotation survey is probably going to make some people feel good, and not accomplish anything.

The best outcome could be to get rotations in a base to remain as consistant as possible, so that we can make semi-informed decision about the categories we're bidding, and leave us the hell alone otherwise. What's killing many of us is the uncertainty. What's the point of running away to be senior in a junior category, if you don't know what people might or might not lobby for, or whether they might or might not get it done?

So maybe doing nothing is OK, if the company would respond in kind, and not mess with categories as comprehensively and ferquently. Then we can leverage our seniority intelligently, for the best personal outcome.

Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1133932)

I don't commute, but I agree that the Reserve system is not commuter-friendly, and this is an area that can be fixed far easier than rotaion construction.

I think you could incentivize availability, and make everyone happy. What if you got the ability to bid ultra-long call (at home), but got paid a little less for each, or got less time off, than the guy who bids short-call? I'm not saying take something away from what we have now for the long-call guy, but I think you could weigh availability and pay/time off pretty easily, to design a system where everyone is bidding according to their commute (or lack thereof), and getting rewarded accordingly.

Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1133932)

I don't commute, but I agree that the Reserve system is not commuter-friendly, and this is an area that can be fixed far easier than rotaion construction.

I think you could incentivize availability, and make everyone happy. What if you got the ability to bid ultra-long call (at home), but got paid a little less for each, or got less time off, than the guy who bids short-call? I'm not saying take something away from what we have now for the long-call guy, but I think you could weigh availability and pay/time off pretty easily, to design a system where everyone is bidding according to their commute (or lack thereof), and getting rewarded accordingly.

Originally Posted by jbooser (Post 1133939)

I used to be a DL employee and I'm just wondering if the M88/90 lines are still combined or are they separated since DL is getting more 90's?

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1133941)

They are combined now. It used to be only SLC could fly the 90s, then CVG checked out on them, then NYC and finally ATL.

Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1133942)

Two airlines ago we had AM trips and PM trips. Some like morning flying and being done early in the day, some the other way around. Better on the body clock as well when daily show times are kept consistent. I know this only helps commuters on one end coming or going but overall I think this stikes a good balance and is safer. Build efficient three day trips that a commuter can bid in pairs. In base guys historically like three day trips as well. With some massaging it could work.

Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 1133917)

I think that is all any of us have ever asked for.

When you think about it, a commutable schedule actually hoses the commuter to a certain extent and why you can't focus on JUST late departures and early returns. As I said in another post, most of us look for the biggest bang for the buck, ie the highest value trip in the fewest days. To do that, you lose out with a late departure and/or an early arrival. OR, you have to have an extra day out like the old NWA schedules did it. I'll take an early departure with the corresponding hotel if it's what I want to do and it's got good "worth".

All any of us want is balance. Ok, and beerable layovers:D

I'll catch the rest of the debate later, got to take momma for anniversary dinner.........35 years with the same woman, how is that for one of the bigger Narcissist you've ever met.

Ferd

Originally Posted by OscartheGrouch (Post 1133949)

First time posting on the L&G. I can't let the above in bold pass without saying CONGRATULATIONS to Ferd and his wife. 24 years and counting for me and mine.

Now where is that alter for sacrificing kittens that was built in ATL?

The Oscar