Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-01-2012 | 04:20 PM
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From: Light Chop
This is where you are wrong. DL does have a reason to get this done, as explained to a LCA friend by SD, the second round of consolidation is coming up, and they do not want to be negotiating a contract during that time, and they also want cooperative pilots for another expedited SOC, which we happily did for the NWA merger so we could capitalize on those $2 billion a year in SUPPOSED "synergies.". So, we know more mergers will happen, and that can help speed the process along, and be used to increase our compensation, but ALPA needs to work for it, not just give in for the sake of being nice. We pay big money in dues, and I expect results that aren't just "realistic.". I think we deserve a bit more than that. Don't settle please.
This time around I think time is on our side. So what if we blow past the amendable date? What would we be screwing up, the ability to merge?
Well in that case, I say we don't have to be in a hurry. We should just concentrate on getting this done right.
03-01-2012 | 04:23 PM
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03-01-2012 | 04:24 PM
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Boy, it's great to see a good discussion on L&G about something other than contracts. 2nd amendment forever (and don't try any of this in NY or MA).
03-01-2012 | 04:24 PM
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Scambo can defend himself, but he's clearly not part of any echo chamber. He was responding to your constant self-insertions of roadblocks on our path to an industry leading contract. Specifically, "the "NMB will block us...and if they don't, "we'll get a PEB"...and if we don't, "the federal courts will block us from striking". That certainly sounds to me like someone who is quaking in fear...exactly like scambo described.
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You also failed to answer my second question. Your belief is that since a U.S. Congress has NEVER imposed a contract after a PEB they would never do so. So, I ask again. Has a U.S. District Court of Appeals ever prevented a union from seeking self help with an 1113c imposed contract?? Guess the fNWA flight attendant's found out the hard way, huh?
03-01-2012 | 04:29 PM
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If you call FULLY describing the section 6 process as quaking then I'm on the front of a box of oatmeal. You paint a rosy picture of section 6, I don't.
You also failed to answer my second question. Your belief is that since a U.S. Congress has NEVER imposed a contract after a PEB they would never do so. So, I ask again. Has a U.S. District Court of Appeals ever prevented a union from seeking self help with an 1113c imposed contract?? Guess the fNWA flight attendant's found out the hard way, huh?
You also failed to answer my second question. Your belief is that since a U.S. Congress has NEVER imposed a contract after a PEB they would never do so. So, I ask again. Has a U.S. District Court of Appeals ever prevented a union from seeking self help with an 1113c imposed contract?? Guess the fNWA flight attendant's found out the hard way, huh?
Okay, we'll count you as a yes vote. Next!
03-01-2012 | 04:32 PM
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Probably not 100% legal in a lot more places than those, but when someone waltzes into your house that shouldn't be there, what the distinguished "lady" from San Francisco thinks really doesn't matter.
03-01-2012 | 04:33 PM
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03-01-2012 | 04:36 PM
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The Glock discount is on any Glock handgun, and is open to any commercial pilot (pilot certificate required). The offer can be redeemed at any participating gun dealer.
There is a S&W pilot deal, but I have no details.
Also check out Bud's Guns in Lexington (The LEO website, not the public website) They have good "Law Enforcement" deals for anyone with a commercial pilot certificate. Note that the prices are already discounted and include free shipping to your hometown FFL. Discount Guns for Law Enforcement by Buds Gun Shop (budsgunshop.com)
That should get you started anyway.
03-01-2012 | 04:37 PM
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From: Light Chop
When we talk about managed expectations, this is what many of us are hearing:
Sorry, but that's the push back against managed expectations.
Pilots to Pilot Negotiator: We want a minimum of 40% raise plus full scope recapture.
Company Negotiator to Company Negotiator: Okay, remember, no more than 35% raise and hold the line on scope except in a couple of areas but only if they come down with the raise.
Pilot Negotiator to Pilot: Okay thanks, we'll let you know how it goes but you're asking too much, sorry. Watch me wring my hands.
Pilot's Negotiator: Okay, 10% first year, 3% year after year, scope stays the same except add "you'll make your best effort to..." wherever we ask.
Company Negotiator: We'll give you 5% first year, 2% thereafter, or we go bankrupt again.
Pilot: 8% no lower, 3%, and remember we're friends.
Mediator: Okay, half of 10 and 5 is 7.5%, I'll accept 2% thereafter, and the company has to add "best effort to..." in most of the areas requested. This has to be done immediately because the company has told me they need to merge asap, so thanks for playing.
Pilot Negotiator to Pilots: Here is your TA, and by the way, if you don't sign it, we're furloughing, parking jets and probably liquidating.
Company Negotiator to Company Negotiator: Okay, remember, no more than 35% raise and hold the line on scope except in a couple of areas but only if they come down with the raise.
Pilot Negotiator to Pilot: Okay thanks, we'll let you know how it goes but you're asking too much, sorry. Watch me wring my hands.
Pilot's Negotiator: Okay, 10% first year, 3% year after year, scope stays the same except add "you'll make your best effort to..." wherever we ask.
Company Negotiator: We'll give you 5% first year, 2% thereafter, or we go bankrupt again.
Pilot: 8% no lower, 3%, and remember we're friends.
Mediator: Okay, half of 10 and 5 is 7.5%, I'll accept 2% thereafter, and the company has to add "best effort to..." in most of the areas requested. This has to be done immediately because the company has told me they need to merge asap, so thanks for playing.
Pilot Negotiator to Pilots: Here is your TA, and by the way, if you don't sign it, we're furloughing, parking jets and probably liquidating.
03-01-2012 | 04:39 PM
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