I believe they are the oldest of NWA's 757s. I think the idea is that they are going to be gotten rid of.

5500 series are like 601-670ish in our fleet. None of them are in the paint cue as well as the -30 and -40 9's. That's a bad sign for the future of those airplanes. Someone on airliners net identified that issue months ago, and it's looking like it's coming to fruition. What will be interesting is what is happening with these planes.

Yes, the 55xx 757s are the oldest ones.

One big issue with the 55xx 757s are they cannot be fitted with winglets without a big mod, something about the wiring. Also, the processors are really overloaded with the pegasis software, with no HMGs, or it's plumbing, can't be ETOPs.

Clamp, I agree, will be interesting to see where they go. I still haven't heard where the last batch we got rid of went. I've been told the rumor of FedEx is not true.

As far as not painting the -30 and -40 9s are concerned, doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the 100 to 125 seat plan currently doesn't include us.........does it.

Ferd

Thats exactly why the union should be front and center making sure that mgmt knows thats non-negotiable.

Just received a debrief from a friend that was in an ATL meeting attended by senior management. Management is still saying that Airbus and Boeing still do not have the product to meet our narrowbody requirements. Well of course not......... They are too wrapped up with the other enormous investments they have made/are making in 380/350X/787. We will not see anything until 2020-2022. Management is stalling for SCOPE relief in the 2012 contract. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out.

I don't have a very good feeling about our Union taking an aggressive stand for us. Just like Delta has always been all about protecting ATL at all costs, our union will be about protecting the widebody flying at all costs. I don't blame management for trying to secure this flying at the lowest cost possible, but I do blame DALPA for doing such a poor job of representing my interest after I pay them to do so every month. Where is the voice of DALPA to address these issues?

If you don't know what it feels like to be thrown under the bus, standby to have two tread marks up your back.........

Dude, everything is negotiable...:mad:

It's not out of the realm of possibilities that we will be less than a 8,000 pilot airline in five years. Sure hope a bunch of guys take early retirement.:o

Satchip, you are exactly right. The only problem is you have to have somebody willing to do the negotiating! Our calls are falling on deaf ears.

As luck would have it my glass is half full today. The scope report card passing was big imo. If we can get other counsels to pass similiar resolutions the MEC will hear the pilots loud and clear.

All is not lost yet Mr. Cat. It's time for all on here to take action. Call or email your reps if you haven't already done so. There is lots to be done before our next contract. This is ours to lose.

I believe that with the formerly known as NW pilots and us junior folk form the Old Delta, we're going to make some noise on the next contract.

As has been posted above SCOPE should NOT be on the table for 2012.

Well it appears that the only reason they are stalling is they do not have a jet they can buy that makes sense.
It is a big bet to wait until 2012ish for the CS series, but I bet that is what we do.
Route really does not want more RJ's as we understand them. They are wanting a 100 seat jet, but the 195 has too many reliability issues with it. With that said, they are getting better and if a good deal came, the ears are open.
As for the 500 block 757's. I have been diggiging on this. Those are not leaving shortly. It is more like 4 to 8 years off. Those 30 and 40 series 9's are gone. 50 series probably no later than 2012 about the same time the C-Series comes out. Connect the dots.
With out saying this "officially", I really think that we are going to be going that way after taking to as many people as I have.
I also see a large order for the 320 or 73N in the near future. Why? Because with the first NextGen stuff coming off the assembly floors in 2022+ it makes sense. By that time the early 73N's and the 320's can be parked while the ones that are bought over the next few years will run until we can replace them. If now offers a cohesive replacement plan that works for the airlines. It is why AMR is doing it and I bet we do to.

Now according to multiple single point sources, it sounds like the decision to furlough is on hold. Never off the table, but right now they want the bodies. Our leaders want to nitpick AMR, UAUA, and LLC as it becomes possible. To do that they are willing to take a chance, for now and keep the carrying costs of the pilots on the books. I am sure that if the loads drop again or we aggressively cut summer 2010 more than 5% we will revisit this.
It came down to one meeting, and they opted to keep the bottom 200-500.

I will say. I am floored. I figured they would do it. From what I have been told they are saying that an opportunity to take advantage of another carrier will happen within the next 22.5 months since that is the ROI on a furlough investment.