Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-12-2012 | 07:56 PM
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You have to attempt to view it from a management standpoint. They have spent five years in a reeducation campaign with the other employees that Delta will only be able to pay industry standard wages. They are correct in their cost assumptions to an extent. This is perhaps the most brutal industry around on companies that let costs get out of line.
A pilot contract that is viewed as above the abstract they have created with the other employees will lead to big problems. After our 2001 contract they had to follow up with a 17 percent raise to the mechanics when things started to get ugly there.
I suspect they will be willing to put forth a contract with some impressive numbers in the out years. They will not put out anything near what I or most pilots expect in the short term. The collapse of talks at UAL and the 1113 action at AMR will leave the company thinking and serious raises for the pilots will put their pilot costs way to high and that they will have other costs with non union employee fallout. The package they put forth will be back loaded while the package we want and deserve will have to be front loaded. I see the gap between the two as far to big to be bridged before we go to the NBM. The NMB has made it clear we can expect a very long process if we go that route.
Again this is going to be a long difficult contract with a lot of choices that have to be made. Don't start spending raises now. They may not come for 5 years.
A pilot contract that is viewed as above the abstract they have created with the other employees will lead to big problems. After our 2001 contract they had to follow up with a 17 percent raise to the mechanics when things started to get ugly there.
I suspect they will be willing to put forth a contract with some impressive numbers in the out years. They will not put out anything near what I or most pilots expect in the short term. The collapse of talks at UAL and the 1113 action at AMR will leave the company thinking and serious raises for the pilots will put their pilot costs way to high and that they will have other costs with non union employee fallout. The package they put forth will be back loaded while the package we want and deserve will have to be front loaded. I see the gap between the two as far to big to be bridged before we go to the NBM. The NMB has made it clear we can expect a very long process if we go that route.
Again this is going to be a long difficult contract with a lot of choices that have to be made. Don't start spending raises now. They may not come for 5 years.
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03-12-2012 | 08:05 PM
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03-12-2012 | 08:20 PM
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Uh, yes. Here's your post again for review:
So that's not marginalizing one's strike experience? You're really proud of this kind of post?
I've never said my opinions should valued any higher than anyone else's. I simply state them...same as you.
So that means the only way tsquare can conside an MEC a success is if they give in to management as required so long as a strike is avoided?
Carl
Now now... cut the big man a little slack. After all, HE's been on strike. That right there automatically makes his opinion not only extremely valuable, but one that the rest should take without question, and because he KNOWS what success is all about. He told the company to stuff it and walked out the door. And... he flies Super DUPER Premium. That makes him a better pilot than ANYBODY else, because as we all know there are only about 5000 of those airplanes ever built, and it is a skill set that only the best of the best of the best (with honors) could ever hope to fly...
More experienced
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We're not worthy
More experienced
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We're not worthy
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03-12-2012 | 08:35 PM
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I'm on reserve quite frequently. Because we have such long trips on the 747, any vacation, training or carry in can often times make you "unblockable" thus putting you on reserve. That happens to me darn near every other month.
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03-12-2012 | 09:53 PM
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03-12-2012 | 10:29 PM
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03-12-2012 | 10:55 PM
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And that's best case when we have fat categories. When we're lean on staffing and reserves are always flying, our current system is even worse.
For every guy sitting long call at home there is someone sitting long call at the hotel or pad and even if they aren't eventually used I doubt very much that *most* reserve pilots benefit more from the current system than having an extra 36-42 guaranteed days a year off.
03-12-2012 | 10:57 PM
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Even if our MX guys are training on it, it could be to do engine work or whatever as SWA decides to outsource a dying orphan plane for the few remaining years they have it.
03-12-2012 | 11:02 PM
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Carl, I've had a hard time lately keeping up with this thread so bear with me. I absolutely do not want 14 days of short call. I live in base and bid reserve to improve my quality of life. I love getting paid to drink beer and float on my boat all summer on long call. I invite all of you to join me and the redneck yacht club on west point lake. Usually 4 boats, bikinis, beer, wake boarding, bridge jumping ect... Life is good. Short call kills my fun. I'm all for scope but don't sell out by getting rid of long call.
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