Lol.....6 posts and another anti-pilot roach crawls out of the cracks.
If you don't "buy" the fact that the average SWA ca makes 230/year and corresponding FO 140/year, why aren't you comparing compensation to FDX rates?

Odd isn't it? Most houses lost their value in 2008 to 2009.

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I been had money!

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Here's what I heard on my last trip, speculate amongst yourselves, as usual. Sorry if this has already been coved in past pages, I was on the road for a few days and might have missed it if it was.

Anyway...from two different (Credible) sources; the two negotiating teams have been meeting all day, every day, to try to get this thing wrapped up ASAP. On source said, "By the end of April..."

Really? Two months? That would be a World Record!

OK, why?

The obvious answer is, 'more consolidation' and Richard wants the contract done prior to said consolidation.

OK, Who?

Richard made a lot of noise about HND slots last month...so...who's got HND slots?

Hiwaiian, yes?

And then there's South America, and AA's got lots of that, maybe they want to sell some?

AND...does that give us more leverage? ie. Richard could have a new T/A tomorrow, just RESTORE us to C2K rates and fund our Retirements!

I don't want DALPA to be rushed into another long term, crappy deal, based on some imaginary "Time Crunch". If Richard wants a quick deal, all he has to do is write the check.

Okay, if I can get this straight, My w-2 pay as a 12+ year 777B of $136K, compared to a friend who is a swa 8th year FO who's w-2 was $204k (not counting his 401k and not counting his profitsharing), can be fixed with an 11% payraise?

Torture your numbers all you like, I'm a hard sell on that.

Padre, can we see your math?

And why not have 88 explain "again" how he arrives at that value?

And if you'd like, we've become good anonymous website friends with some of the SWA folks (shhhh... don't tell Tsquare) and we've got the data from them. They explain it very well.

So please show the math. We like the math.

I did the math about 3 days ago. I'd be happy to be corrected, it's just difficult to accept "my friend" showed me his W2.

If you are sure go onto the thread about Airline Pay 2012 and APC will update the spreadsheet. I have credited my sources (the DAL PWA and APC 2012 Airline Pilot Pay survey) so if there is a correction needed it can be done.

Yeah, tell me about it.

It was difficult to accept for me too.

Put out an 11% payraise TA. You'd better be able to sell snow to an eskimo.

Okay cool, we'd love to look it over if you don't mind posting it.

BTW, what are you comparing? Straight hourly rates on SWA 737 to... DAL 737 or MD88? Which one and why?

And what are you using for the TFP/flight hour conversion or just using the already provided (near as possible) hourly rates on apc?

I like to compare monthly reserve min guarantee (worst case scenario), are you coming up with hourly rates or monthly pay?

Are you calculating 401k contribution for both companies, not just DAL? I think SWA is at 9% or something.