Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-13-2012, 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
I'm pretty sure on the 747's they put little roller blade wheels on the bottom of the outboard engines just for that purpose! 
I know in the KC135 (A Models) I think the number they taught us was about 8 degrees bank, more than that you'd scrape a pod.
BUT...then they put the bigger (fatter) engines on it (the R Models) so the 8 degrees must have been reduced. I always loved the 757 because it had such long legs and a big rudder, (and no outboard engines!) you could really lay it over in a good crosswind, touch down one main at a time, just like a J3!
I was engineer on a 727 one day when the F/O got a wingtip in a good crosswind! Not hard to do with heavily swept wing and short legs, it was a lousy crosswind airplane. Most guys would just crab all the way to the flare, then kick it and hope. A wet runway always helped to 'slide it on' if you were still a little sideways at impact.
As my IOE Capt. said to me..."Don't try to get fancy with it, just put it down!" (like this?)
Drunk pilot.... Piper super Cub - YouTube
I know in the KC135 (A Models) I think the number they taught us was about 8 degrees bank, more than that you'd scrape a pod.
BUT...then they put the bigger (fatter) engines on it (the R Models) so the 8 degrees must have been reduced. I always loved the 757 because it had such long legs and a big rudder, (and no outboard engines!) you could really lay it over in a good crosswind, touch down one main at a time, just like a J3!
I was engineer on a 727 one day when the F/O got a wingtip in a good crosswind! Not hard to do with heavily swept wing and short legs, it was a lousy crosswind airplane. Most guys would just crab all the way to the flare, then kick it and hope. A wet runway always helped to 'slide it on' if you were still a little sideways at impact.
As my IOE Capt. said to me..."Don't try to get fancy with it, just put it down!" (like this?)
Drunk pilot.... Piper super Cub - YouTube
04-13-2012, 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Sweet job.
Hey 744 guys, how much can you bank the thing during a crosswind landing?
Hey 744 guys, how much can you bank the thing during a crosswind landing?
5 Degrees is the answer.
04-13-2012, 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
Storm!! Delta Air Lines Boeing 747-400 Crosswind Landing at Narita - YouTube
look at Carl go!! yikes....
look at Carl go!! yikes....
Carl
04-13-2012, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Seaslap8
Not a "loss of flying"...the flying has been moved.
The BOS-LGA shuttle had 30 legs a day. Now granted you would fly several shuttle legs a day on a rotation, but it still took a number of crews to complete. I'm not sure if the new 'replacement' flying matches up to the same crew requirements.....I simply don't know, but my gut tells me it's not a one for one replacement.
04-13-2012, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
what about the 777? any limits on that thing?
There's no number in the "Limitations" section of Vol. 1, I don't even recall them telling us a number in training, but that was...6 years ago, so maybe they did mention it, and I quickly forgot.
I fly it just like a 757, that usaully works! But the engines are quite inboard, not like the 4 engine planes, so I would think you may hit the wingtip long before you got a cowl.
There must be some You Tube vids somewehre that might show a good wing low, 777 crosswind landing, maybe you can get an idea of the bank angle from that.
04-13-2012, 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotFrog
R model was 5 degrees wheels off and 3 degrees wheels on (compressed gear).
you know what's fun? electricity as you're sticking the nozzle into the gas can!
04-13-2012, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by DelDah Capt
The BOS-LGA shuttle had 30 legs a day. Now granted you would fly several shuttle legs a day on a rotation, but it still took a number of crews to complete. I'm not sure if the new 'replacement' flying matches up to the same crew requirements.....I simply don't know, but my gut tells me it's not a one for one replacement.
Just eliminating the 'Shuttle Standby' crews (sitting in the lounge, waiting...) is a loss, not to mention the actual flying crews. So, no, it's not 1-1.
04-13-2012, 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
There's no number in the "Limitations" section of Vol. 1, I don't even recall them telling us a number in training, but that was...6 years ago, so maybe they did mention it, and I quickly forgot.
I fly it just like a 757, that usaully works! But the engines are quite inboard, not like the 4 engine planes, so I would think you may hit the wingtip long before you got a cowl.
There must be some You Tube vids somewehre that might show a good wing low, 777 crosswind landing, maybe you can get an idea of the bank angle from that.
I fly it just like a 757, that usaully works! But the engines are quite inboard, not like the 4 engine planes, so I would think you may hit the wingtip long before you got a cowl.
There must be some You Tube vids somewehre that might show a good wing low, 777 crosswind landing, maybe you can get an idea of the bank angle from that.
along time ago I saw a picture of a Chinese 747 landing at Hong Kong and burying its right outboard into the ground with the rest of the airplane still airborne. I've never been able to find that pic again but it was a profile view right off the right side. It was... breathtaking.
04-13-2012, 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Just eliminating the 'Shuttle Standby' crews (sitting in the lounge, waiting...) is a loss, not to mention the actual flying crews. So, no, it's not 1-1.
04-13-2012, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by groundstop
Shuttle standby crews? Haven't had those in YEARS.
See all the jobs lost?
The only reason I didn't bid 727 Shuttle Capt. in LGA back when they closed BOS in 1996 was, I would've been the 'Standby guy' sitting in the chair all day!
Instead I went to ATL for right seat on the MD-911, flying 3 on, 4 off, LGW and FRA, which was a whole lot more fun.
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