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Thanks for the compliment. I always have to fly with my favorite A-hole so I can't say one way or the other, you'd better ask some of my -hard working- F/O's if I'm 'fun'...or just lazy.
My standard brief, "Don't let me wake up and catch you reading!"
I even did a walk around on the 777, once, but just to see the new motors on the LR's...but if you tell anyone, I'll deny it!
Let's just say THE 10 y/o son wanted to learn how to use the weed eater. All safety was demonstrated and splained. THE mom was not too keen, I mean really what could happen if everything and everyone was briefed properly?
Under the watchful eye of the DAD standing close, the SON was masterfully handling the machine in perfect efficient sweeps as he moved closer to the back porch where MOM was standing with a worrisome glare.The DAD could make out the words she was mouthing over the noise and it was something to the effect of "You Son of a B I told you this is not a good idea he is too young" but the DAD failed to see the issue! The DAD's eyes were averted for a mere fraction of a second to offer the wife a thumbs up and big smile. It was at that moment the DAD realized he failed to inform or warn the son of the dangers of not cleaning up after the dog before one begins to attack with the weed eater!
Too late. By the time the DAD looked back to the porch, the Mom was covered in fecal nastiness and clearly mouthing words that I am sure violate the TOS of this forum....
I heard this from the cousin of a friend whose brother Roscoe went to prison with!
Let's just say THE 10 y/o son wanted to learn how to use the weed eater. All safety was demonstrated and splained. THE mom was not too keen, I mean really what could happen if everything and everyone was briefed properly?
Under the watchful eye of the DAD standing close, the SON was masterfully handling the machine in perfect efficient sweeps as he moved closer to the back porch where MOM was standing with a worrisome glare.The DAD could make out the words she was mouthing over the noise and it was something to the effect of "You Son of a B I told you this is not a good idea he is too young" but the DAD failed to see the issue! The DAD's eyes were averted for a mere fraction of a second to offer the wife a thumbs up and big smile. It was at that moment the DAD realized he failed to inform or warn the son of the dangers of not cleaning up after the dog before one begins to attack with the weed eater!
Too late. By the time the DAD looked back to the porch, the Mom was covered in fecal nastiness and clearly mouthing words that I am sure violate the TOS of this forum....
Let's just say THE 10 y/o son wanted to learn how to use the weed eater. All safety was demonstrated and splained. THE mom was not too keen, I mean really what could happen if everything and everyone was briefed properly?
Under the watchful eye of the DAD standing close, the SON was masterfully handling the machine in perfect efficient sweeps as he moved closer to the back porch where MOM was standing with a worrisome glare.The DAD could make out the words she was mouthing over the noise and it was something to the effect of "You Son of a B I told you this is not a good idea he is too young" but the DAD failed to see the issue! The DAD's eyes were averted for a mere fraction of a second to offer the wife a thumbs up and big smile. It was at that moment the DAD realized he failed to inform or warn the son of the dangers of not cleaning up after the dog before one begins to attack with the weed eater!
Too late. By the time the DAD looked back to the porch, the Mom was covered in fecal nastiness and clearly mouthing words that I am sure violate the TOS of this forum....

That's a lot better than shooting your brother with a bb gun.

Ya gotta love the little testosterone machines.
Absolutely true. The commute option is defined as 2 hours commute (then immediatly available).
Normal S/C response time (commute option not used) is "readily" or "promptly" available...generally accepted as you have your phone and you'll get there as soon as you can (generally accepted as two hours, but not in stone).
Now, jailhouse lawyer me thinks like this: If I use the 2 hr commute, when my commute flight lands, I turn on my phone. If there are no messages, I am right back to the promptly available and I go to my hotel.
My experience has been that if I use the 2 hr commute option, scheds generally won't release me early. I play it by my commute flights and my fleets departure times (I don't have a sexy voice). For example I dont try to get released early unless there is a flight home that leaves early. And I dont sweat the release (too hard) if there are no departures or sign ins within a reasonable boundary of time around my s/c release time ie: if my flt home leaves 1/2 hr before my s/c release time I just get on it. (This probably doesn't work at all domestically because there are a constant departures).
That said, the shortest I've been "shortcalled" on the 777 is about 6 hours before departure. It was my only callout on the plane in 5+ years. (caveat: I am on reserve about 4-6 months a year due to inability to build a line) If I could get a schedule year round without fail, I would never sit reserve as a commuter.
Normal S/C response time (commute option not used) is "readily" or "promptly" available...generally accepted as you have your phone and you'll get there as soon as you can (generally accepted as two hours, but not in stone).
Now, jailhouse lawyer me thinks like this: If I use the 2 hr commute, when my commute flight lands, I turn on my phone. If there are no messages, I am right back to the promptly available and I go to my hotel.
My experience has been that if I use the 2 hr commute option, scheds generally won't release me early. I play it by my commute flights and my fleets departure times (I don't have a sexy voice). For example I dont try to get released early unless there is a flight home that leaves early. And I dont sweat the release (too hard) if there are no departures or sign ins within a reasonable boundary of time around my s/c release time ie: if my flt home leaves 1/2 hr before my s/c release time I just get on it. (This probably doesn't work at all domestically because there are a constant departures).
That said, the shortest I've been "shortcalled" on the 777 is about 6 hours before departure. It was my only callout on the plane in 5+ years. (caveat: I am on reserve about 4-6 months a year due to inability to build a line) If I could get a schedule year round without fail, I would never sit reserve as a commuter.
Thanks, I've just printed this out and stuck it in my bag. With all the stuff I've been reading so I don't screw this up.....this is the best.
One other question. I've got 10 days total availability and since they have SC me over a weekend, can they:
- Put two days SC back to back (wouldn't think so)
- Give me a day off (Sat afternoon/Sun morning) and back on SC
Or will one be enough in my scenario. Thanks, just trying to figure out how many days I'll be in the hotel reading APC.........vs in my study reading APC

Ferd
Gets Weekends Off
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They do have to give you 24 hrs off in 7 somewhere on the domestic side. Usually they will tack it on at the end of a trip in my experience. So it may be something odd like 11am sat to 11am sun.
If you have a layover more than 24hrs it is considered your 24 rest in 7 also.
Last edited by rahc; 04-20-2012 at 06:32 AM. Reason: 24 hr layover
Gets Weekends Off
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Thanks for the compliment. I always have to fly with my favorite A-hole so I can't say one way or the other, you'd better ask some of my -hard working- F/O's if I'm 'fun'...or just lazy.
My standard brief, "Don't let me wake up and catch you reading!"
I even did a walk around on the 777, once, but just to see the new motors on the LR's...but if you tell anyone, I'll deny it!
My standard brief, "Don't let me wake up and catch you reading!"
I even did a walk around on the 777, once, but just to see the new motors on the LR's...but if you tell anyone, I'll deny it!

Lemme guess, the only thing that you looked at on that walk around was the motors.
I flew with a CA once who looked at me and said (as it was a torrential downpour), "You have three options: 1. it flew in it will fly out 2. It looked good from the concourse or 3. you can go outside and get wet but I will be staying right here"
Sailing/Scambo
Thanks, I've just printed this out and stuck it in my bag. With all the stuff I've been reading so I don't screw this up.....this is the best.
One other question. I've got 10 days total availability and since they have SC me over a weekend, can they:
- Put two days SC back to back (wouldn't think so)
- Give me a day off (Sat afternoon/Sun morning) and back on SC
Or will one be enough in my scenario. Thanks, just trying to figure out how many days I'll be in the hotel reading APC.........vs in my study reading APC
Ferd
Thanks, I've just printed this out and stuck it in my bag. With all the stuff I've been reading so I don't screw this up.....this is the best.
One other question. I've got 10 days total availability and since they have SC me over a weekend, can they:
- Put two days SC back to back (wouldn't think so)
- Give me a day off (Sat afternoon/Sun morning) and back on SC
Or will one be enough in my scenario. Thanks, just trying to figure out how many days I'll be in the hotel reading APC.........vs in my study reading APC

Ferd
Here's another gem you'll love. 12 hours into my 24 hour short call I get a call that says, "Hey, lucky camper, we are releasing you from your next 12 hours of short call, so we can put you on 24 hour short call again starting 12 hours from now. Congratulations!" Thank you sir, may I have another?
They can't do back to back 24 hour short calls, but they are very good at spacing out Short Calls just close enough to prevent you from going home. Get comfy in your hotel room.
Here's another gem you'll love. 12 hours into my 24 hour short call I get a call that says, "Hey, lucky camper, we are releasing you from your next 12 hours of short call, so we can put you on 24 hour short call again starting 12 hours from now. Congratulations!"
Here's another gem you'll love. 12 hours into my 24 hour short call I get a call that says, "Hey, lucky camper, we are releasing you from your next 12 hours of short call, so we can put you on 24 hour short call again starting 12 hours from now. Congratulations!"
Thanks, I was afraid I was looking at this. Most guys by this time of the month have 2 or 3 SC, so I'm sure they will even it out. That last email from the union (even though it starts next month) said my raw of 82 and being in the 2nd bucket doesn't effect SC.
Well, off to the showers and to the airport.......
Ferd
Sailing/Scambo
Thanks, I've just printed this out and stuck it in my bag. With all the stuff I've been reading so I don't screw this up.....this is the best.
One other question. I've got 10 days total availability and since they have SC me over a weekend, can they:
- Put two days SC back to back (wouldn't think so)
- Give me a day off (Sat afternoon/Sun morning) and back on SC
Or will one be enough in my scenario. Thanks, just trying to figure out how many days I'll be in the hotel reading APC.........vs in my study reading APC
Ferd
Thanks, I've just printed this out and stuck it in my bag. With all the stuff I've been reading so I don't screw this up.....this is the best.
One other question. I've got 10 days total availability and since they have SC me over a weekend, can they:
- Put two days SC back to back (wouldn't think so)
- Give me a day off (Sat afternoon/Sun morning) and back on SC
Or will one be enough in my scenario. Thanks, just trying to figure out how many days I'll be in the hotel reading APC.........vs in my study reading APC

Ferd
My experience only:
They can put you on back to back shortcalls. For int'l, due to the 24 hr s/c they wil usually give you rest and restart your s/c at the same time as the previous day. If your category flies domestic, the 1st 12 hrs you are legal for domestic and int'l, the second 12 you are legal for int'l only. Between s/c they have to give you (I think) 9 hrs rest. So it can be 24 on 9 off 24 on. As a commuter you are skrewwed. Or it can be 15 on 9 off 24 on. It really is any permutation of the above.
There is a time in the morning when they are assigning s/c like around 8 or 9 am, for the next days coverage. Often they wont post it until later.
If you want to know definitively whether or not you are safe to commute home, call scheduling. Typically they dont use line of sight scheduling and will tell you you dont have s/c tomorrow.
There are a couple schedulers who IMO seem meaner than the others. They really enjoy messing with your life.
However, most are very accomodating. My recomendation would be to find out the names of some of the accomodating ones and ask for them by name when you want to work something out. If they can, they usually do accomodate you. Remember, they do have a schedule to staff...sometimes the answer is no.
The only strategy I have found on reserve that gives a commuter some semblance of a life is to bid 4 on 3 off. This normally results in s/c on the 1st available day and L/C for the others. You are non-available for the long trips and you end up commuting 4 or 5 times a month.
I heard this from the cousin of a friend whose brother Roscoe went to prison with!
Let's just say THE 10 y/o son wanted to learn how to use the weed eater. All safety was demonstrated and splained. THE mom was not too keen, I mean really what could happen if everything and everyone was briefed properly?
Under the watchful eye of the DAD standing close, the SON was masterfully handling the machine in perfect efficient sweeps as he moved closer to the back porch where MOM was standing with a worrisome glare.The DAD could make out the words she was mouthing over the noise and it was something to the effect of "You Son of a B I told you this is not a good idea he is too young" but the DAD failed to see the issue! The DAD's eyes were averted for a mere fraction of a second to offer the wife a thumbs up and big smile. It was at that moment the DAD realized he failed to inform or warn the son of the dangers of not cleaning up after the dog before one begins to attack with the weed eater!
Too late. By the time the DAD looked back to the porch, the Mom was covered in fecal nastiness and clearly mouthing words that I am sure violate the TOS of this forum....
Let's just say THE 10 y/o son wanted to learn how to use the weed eater. All safety was demonstrated and splained. THE mom was not too keen, I mean really what could happen if everything and everyone was briefed properly?
Under the watchful eye of the DAD standing close, the SON was masterfully handling the machine in perfect efficient sweeps as he moved closer to the back porch where MOM was standing with a worrisome glare.The DAD could make out the words she was mouthing over the noise and it was something to the effect of "You Son of a B I told you this is not a good idea he is too young" but the DAD failed to see the issue! The DAD's eyes were averted for a mere fraction of a second to offer the wife a thumbs up and big smile. It was at that moment the DAD realized he failed to inform or warn the son of the dangers of not cleaning up after the dog before one begins to attack with the weed eater!
Too late. By the time the DAD looked back to the porch, the Mom was covered in fecal nastiness and clearly mouthing words that I am sure violate the TOS of this forum....

Oh that's just awesome. I am falling out of my chair.
See at my house, my wife would not even be outside while I was cutting the grass.
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