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Old 04-24-2012 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
O&D traffic drives how successful a hub is. JFK is the O&D capital for international travel. Every time Delta has tried to move a flight from JFK to another hub it has failed completely. Yields and traffic drop like a stone. That is the reason for Delta's huge investment in the JFK infrastructure. It also functions perfect on a cost basis for anywhere on the eastcoast since most traffic passes over JFK going to Europe. Its a lot more expensive to fly a passenger to DTW or ATL to connect them to NYC then to fly to NYC and connect them to those destinations.
That's because other than ATL we have crap for hubs!
Old 04-24-2012 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by BigGuns
That's because other than ATL we have crap for hubs!

Hmmm,

I hope you are being sarcastic. Definitely no future in the pacific from LAX and SEA. I guess we better fly our west coast passengers to ATL for further routing.

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Old 04-24-2012 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by BigGuns
That's because other than ATL we have crap for hubs!
Please define crap
Old 04-24-2012 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by BigGuns
That's because other than ATL we have crap for hubs!
There are cities other than the relocated coordinated universal center of the universe you know...
Old 04-24-2012 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by BigGuns
That's because other than ATL we have crap for hubs!
I think we have great hubs. I'd like to see DFW and MIA added to the mix but, other then that, whats not to like?
Old 04-24-2012 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
I think we have great hubs. I'd like to see DFW and MIA added to the mix but, other then that, whats not to like?
That would even out the seniority in ATL.
Old 04-24-2012 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Express pilot
That would even out the seniority in ATL.
It would help the left coast as well. We've got a lot of guys flying out of LAX that still live in Dallas.
Old 04-24-2012 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
It would help the left coast as well. We've got a lot of guys flying out of LAX that still live in Dallas.
I have looked at it. All the flights on AA and the redeye on AA makes it an option. You always have a chance to get home after a trip. MSP and DTW not so much. Last flight home is 1930 or 1730 on weekends. Sometimes for about 3 months out of the year they add a 2100 dept.
LAX just too senior for me.
Old 04-24-2012 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by finis72
Right from Richard
-choice between A-319's and 717's, deal done by next quarter,still negotiating but price is currently too high.( my take-away, 717's when all said and done)
-Record year for profits, 1st qtr Rasm up 13.5 %
-Hiring 2013
-ETOPS all 737-900's
-Southwest not relevant in ATL until they fix problems
-100 to 150 50 seaters
-Have to have Regional feed, too expensive to do ourselves( don't shoot me, messenger only)
-Not interested in AA, too many problems. Would love DFW and MIA hubs if available
- take back Paris
-expand Heathrow operation
-Steady growth in Pacific
-Haneda/NRT future problem, already working the issue
-$ 900 million in interest this year, have to get debt down
-Positive about getting deal done with contract
"Would love DFW and MIA hubs if available"

So your telling me there is a chance.
Keep talking about DFW and maybe it will happen.
Old 04-24-2012 | 11:31 AM
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Here's the new update from SEA.


Delta Council 54

Update

April 24, 2012

A special MEC meeting was held on April 18 with the focus of discussion on negotiations. During the approximately seven-hour-long meeting, the expanded negotiating team briefed the MEC as to the status of the negotiations and the continued pace of scheduled meetings. A large number of questions were asked and answered, and the Negotiating Committee is clear on the direction given to them by the MEC.

While the SEA reps are cautiously optimistic, we will reserve our judgment on any new contract until we can view it in its entirety. We have found that some of you have a slight misunderstanding about the process we are under. The process has two possible tracks, which are parallel. We would like you to know that at the end of the day, whichever track we take, we intend for the Delta pilots to lead the industry. These tracks are:

Track 1. The MEC is using threat-and-opportunity management to take advantage of any and all opportunities that exist. Flexibility and agility in engaging in productive negotiations (think interest-based bargaining) can lead to an agreement. A recent example was the JCBA for our 2008 merger.

Track 2. This is the Section 6 “grind it out” process that we have traditionally used. We know this process well. The frustration level is clearly linked to the time past the amendable date. The longer the time past the date, the higher the frustration level. The length of time associated with this process is the real issue. Unlike other industries where a strike can occur at the end of the process, pilots operate under the Railway Labor Act. That act controls our process.



The more you move past the amendable date, the older the survey results become. Additional pilot input is needed to make sure goals have not changed. We clearly know what you have tasked your MEC to achieve regardless of the track chosen. The MEC is in a position to go down either an expedited track (1) or the traditional Section 6 path (2). Either way, Council 54 officers expect to obtain similar results; the only difference will be when.

The MEC was notified that the grievance over the A330-300 rest facility will be heard on June 19–20. Again, we agree with your input that the result of the Company’s proposal would be a degradation of the quality of pilot rest. A well-rested pilot is a safer pilot. In a few years, when the new rest rules take effect, the enclosed facility will offer the most flexibility for Delta. The rest rules that fight pilot fatigue are science based, and in the interest of safety, the FAA recognized that the enclosed facility offers the better rest environment.

The MEC was notified that the former NWA pilots’ trip/duty rig grievance was delayed at the request of Delta management. Delta notified ALPA that the personnel now engaged in the PWA negotiating process are the same as those needed for the arbitration. The former NWA team agreed that the contract has priority and acceded to the delay. The arbitration is now scheduled for October with earlier options being considered if possible.


In the last few weeks, the subject of trip parking has been getting our attention. We have received several e-mails and calls asking us to keep this practice unchanged until we have a new contract is in place. Recently, we have been hearing from other pilots who want to stop this practice right now. MEC discussions had previously taken place on this subject. Your LEC reps do not see anything on the horizon to alter the current practice before a new contract is negotiated.

This is a time when rumors are spread and we get to spend a great deal of time chasing down things that were said and whether or not they have any validity. People often hear, and interpret what they hear, differently. Recently we started to hear that our CEO addressed the LCPs and that the discussion was candid. Since we have reports from that LCPs’ meeting in the form of e-mail reports, we want to comment on what we officially know.



-We have no knowledge of any narrow-body order other than 737-900ERs(all to be ETOPS).

-No basing decisions have been made for the 737-900ERs
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-Industry consolidation will likely continue, but we have no knowledge of any impending transaction other than the potential American–US Airways transaction, which has been widely discussed in the media.

-Richard Anderson did communicate on April 17 at the Instructors meeting in ATL that Seattle is Delta’s gateway to the Pacific.

-At the SEA base meeting on April 12, it was reported that Delta was considering additional service to international gateways out of SEA. Shanghai was mentioned as one of the possible city pairs.



Please, in respect for our increasing workload, send us the rumors you hear to us first. Give us the opportunity to either confirm or deny what you are hearing. We have committed to getting you as much timely, current information as possible. Any update we write goes through hours of our editing followed by legal review at ALPA if necessary. The process can take 48 hours just for that. That does not include that hours we spend amongst the three of us to put out our update.

The pace of negotiations has been positive and productive; however, many items have yet to be tackled. The Negotiating Committee and the company have been meeting many times weekly since March 13. In the coming weeks, we expect to have a better idea of how the Company values our industry-leading performance and whether they are willing to continue into a PWA before our amendable date that reflects the value of the Delta pilots’ hard work and sacrifices.



Council 54 LEC Meeting May 14 10 a.m.-noon in the XXXXXXX room. We will have the local council meeting before we head off to the MEC regular meeting scheduled for the week of May 15–18. If you have any resolutions, please get a copy to us by May 12, so we can have time to review and format the document. Parking vouchers will be provided.

In closing we would to reiterate a paragraph from MEC Chairman O’Malley's letter dated March 9, 2012. “We believe opportunities exist—right now—to reach a comprehensive agreement on an expedited timeline, but let me make this point perfectly clear. While we will attempt to expedite the process, we will not compromise the product.” No matter which track we take, we are looking to include your wants, needs, and desires in your next contract.



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