Good, thats great to hear. Sounds positive.

Subsidized by them? No.

Owned by them? Yes. 100%

True but they have turned down a TA in the last decade. Again what scares me is why would DALPA bring us that TA and push for it.

Hopefully. Fingers crossed.

Makes you wonder. If the sound byte is no hiring until late 2013 to 2015 that doesn't preclude them from tapping their flow through obligations and furlough recalls before that. So much for our honest company :rollseyes:

And what is the deal with PCS? It's in serious need of an upgrade...to like. Windows 3.11 at least.

For the same reason every MEC brings a TA, they think it is the best they can do.

That doesn't bother me.

What bothers me is the sales job where everything is roses and concessions are downplayed. This is where being your own best expert is important...If you dont read it how can you know if its better or not?

Give them a record SLI. On a 40% paycut, pensions gone, work rules slashed, scope and they think that was the best they can do? Come on

By a wider margin.

If you (Express Pilot) are basing your hopes on some cobra DNA, you're going to be disappointed. I realize this is going to feel like some sort of NvS statement, but I'm pretty sure the fact is that both groups have been willing to a) try to save their company from bankruptcy by giving till it hurts, b) giving again as they screamed in BK, and c) giving some more in the merger. And it's not even unique to our two airlines: everyone worked out their voting calculations the same way, from UsAirways, to United, to CAL, etc.

You can try to convince yourself all day long that salvation has come from the North, but it actually comes from within. In fact, the greatest NvS contributor is precisely the advocacy of the notion we're somehow different, when we're probably very much alike.

Which means you've got to do the hard work, and ask yourself how it is that every TA passes, despite failing a mood test on any internet forum. The obvious answer is that the real pilot group isn't as agressive as the virtual, internet pilot group.

Step one in bridging the gap is not treating everyone that doesn't agree as a tool. Read some of the responses to this post, for a perfect example of what not to do.

Ready?

Me too. It's insulting, and it's counter-productive. But it's also tradition.

Never understood that.

Subsidized........Owned.......ehh.......Scemantics

Thanks,

GJ